The Firearms Thread.

[Tofu Man]

I know I've only been here three years, but is civil discussion too much to ask for?

Just an entertaining pissfight, might as well make the most of it.

Put me down 5$ on Retlaw.

[Kashluk]

Whoever created that poster probably should start by learning one god-damned thing about firearms. That was so much dis-informational drivelous BULLSHIT, I just don’t know where to start…

Disgusting.

You're joking, right?

[fallout ranger]

Whoever created that poster probably should start by learning one god-damned thing about firearms. That was so much dis-informational drivelous BULLSHIT, I just don’t know where to start…
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The poster's intentionally a joke, but the video's not.

[Junktown Commando]

You're joking, right?

No.

The poster's intentionally a joke, but the video's not.

Oh. Maybe I take it back.
maybe.

[Retlaw83]

That poster is pretty hilarious. The thinking it's making fun of is what leads to legislation like the "assault weapons ban" which restricted sale of cool weapon accessories but did nothing to address public safety.

The U.S. has plenty of gun laws, and they're all sane; we'd get rid of a lot of nefarious use if we actually prosecuted for most of those laws.

[fallout ranger]

did nothing to address public safety.

Because, stricter gun laws do nothing to improve safety. In fact, the opposite seems a better solution.

[Manoil]

Making guns more easily available doesn't do jack shit towards improving public safety. Don't be ignorant

[Retlaw83]

Societal issues tying into equality and jobs paying enough to make basic needs be met is what effects gun safety. Switzerland, for example, a large segment of of the population is armed because they're required to be for their banking jobs, and gun crime in Switzerland is far less than in most other countries.

[Stalagmite]

Availability and society go hand in hand.

if An AK 47 set on the shelf at a local "Porn And Guns" store for $25 and the government you lived in was as shitty and as corrupt as the smog that comes out of Oprahs ass than you can bet your own ass gun crimes would be through the roofs.

[Yonmanc]

Put it this way Stalagmite, gun's are heavily restricted over here in the UK, a license is really hard to get. Most ordinary law abiding people don't have access to them. However, the 14 year old crack dealers, home invasion thugs, hitmen and street gangs seem to have no problem getting hold of them.

[SenisterDenister]

Which is why you guys need an equivalent of Charlton Heston and the NRA to voice your concerns.

My stance on guns usually varies, but I do think that people should have the right to own at least long guns, like rifles and shotguns. Automatics I don't feel too sure about, and I'm kind of the same way with pistols. I like them, I like shooting them, but do we really need them is my concern.

[Kashluk]

Societal issues tying into equality and jobs paying enough to make basic needs be met is what effects gun safety. Switzerland, for example, a large segment of of the population is armed because they're required to be for their banking jobs, and gun crime in Switzerland is far less than in most other countries.

Then again, you can't really imagine a USA where every citizen serves in the military and is forced to learn responsible weapon handling there.

[Junktown Commando]

Making guns more easily available doesn't do jack shit towards improving public safety. Don't be ignorant

There’s this little town in Virginia (and that means de facto Washington DC) where every citizen who legally can MUST carry a firearm at all times.
That town has a ZERO crime rate.
Washington DC has the strictest gun control laws in the nation outside of San Francisco (where they are outright banned). Both cities have a crime rate of appalling intensity (WDC had the dubios disctiction of “Murder Capital of the US� for several years, until New York won it back, only to loose it to LA, and the two have been fighting to get it back).
“Gun Control� does nothing to stop violence, and very little to deter gun violence. It just places a socially acceptable veneer over the violence, by taking guns from law-abiding citizens and handing them over to the criminals (you know, the people who don’t give a shit about the law anyways).


DID YOU KNOW- You don’t need permits to manufacture guns, just some lathes and other metal working equipment. Computers to control the equipment is nice and all, but not “requisite.� The Zionists in British controlled “Palestine� did it, the Zulu Nations of Apartheid South Africa did it best (once the got money and technical expertise form Russia and China), the Bosnians did it (some VERY good home made guns came out of that shitfest, but they didn’t have the technical support other groups did)… Hell, a Los Angels gang even did it for a while (they got caught only because they were also dealing drugs, big mistake there).

[SenisterDenister]

Virginia =/= Washington D.C., if anything that would be Maryland, which still wouldn't be because its not under complete Federal control. Gun laws are still a states rights issue so the federal government can't do dick to people living in states about owning guns as long as they're legal.

Where do you live? I'd be surprised if you live anywhere outside of Europe, Canada, or California.

[4too]

Whose Propaganda Do You Speak?

...There’s this little town in Virginia (and that means de facto Washington DC) where every citizen who legally can MUST carry a firearm at all times. ...

I am familiar with the "Commonwealth of Virginia".

I know of the "District Of Columbia".

Stating that Virginia is de facto Washington D.C. is not true.

Perhaps some in that "little town" would consider this callous disregard for reality an insult.

If you are going to preach, please do your homework and avoid this style of shallow antidote, a trick worthy of Al Gore, and other big agenda purveyors.

I see too many "de facto" misrepresentations of truth. Only the raw emotion appears real.

Sloppy thinking or a ploy of misdirection?

If you really are advocating the 'right' for the citizens of the USA, curb your emotion and be careful where you point those antidotes, might misfire ...

Simple question ...

Whose side are you on?


Really.


And please name that "little town in Virginia".




4too

[Stalagmite]

Put it this way Stalagmite, gun's are heavily restricted over here in the UK, a license is really hard to get. Most ordinary law abiding people don't have access to them. However, the 14 year old crack dealers, home invasion thugs, hitmen and street gangs seem to have no problem getting hold of them.

We have similar laws here in Australia. It is even thought by some that gun violence has increased since they made the laws tougher. Here in Northern NSW we get an occasional gun crime, just a few months ago someone held up a nightclub with a pistol. Mostly though, the violent crimes I hear of involve stabbings.
I really haven't thought about it all that much because I really just look at guns as a childhood fascination and something cowards carry around to feel big and bad. I don't know any "hardened criminals" in real life where carrying around guns is a "professional" street lifestyle. I just go by what I see.

[Junktown Commando]

Virginia≠Washington D.C., if anything that would be Maryland, which still wouldn't be because its not under complete Federal control. Gun laws are still a states rights issue so the federal government can't do dick to people living in states about owning guns as long as they're legal.
Where do you live? I'd be surprised if you live anywhere outside of Europe, Canada, or California.

If you are going to preach, please do your homework and avoid this style of shallow antidote, a trick worthy of Al Gore, and other big agenda purveyors.

Washington, DC, was swampland on the Maryland/Virginia border that both states ceded to create a national capital. I live in Washington State.
Either way, my point still remains- Comparing a municipality where guns are mandatory to a municipality where they are de facto banned, and the crime rates relative.

I do, however, take umbrage at this:

Whose Propaganda Do You Speak? If you are going to preach, please do your homework and avoid this style of shallow antidote, a trick worthy of Al Gore, and other big agenda purveyors. Sloppy thinking or a ploy of misdirection?

I may be guilty of a bit of over-simplification, but the basic facts remain. I was neither sloppy nor misdirecting.

I AM however apparently guilty of faulty memory:

In March 1982, 25 years ago, the small town of Kennesaw – responding to a handgun ban in Morton Grove, Ill. – unanimously passed an ordinance requiring each head of household to own and maintain a gun. Since then, despite dire predictions of "Wild West" showdowns and increased violence and accidents, not a single resident has been involved in a fatal shooting – as a victim, attacker or defender.

Strangely, I still remember the news article (that I saw about a decade ago, but as an adult) as being described as “in the shadow of the nation’s capital.� :shrug:

Whose side are you on? And please name that "little town in Virginia".

Well, I seem to remember that part wrongly…

I don't know any "hardened criminals" in real life where carrying around guns is a "professional" street lifestyle. I just go by what I see.

When I was living in Sacramento I was working security at several sites in the ghetto (mostly Franklin/Florin area). While working that neighborhood I knew about 14 different firearms related “incidents,� just counting the drug-related incidents. Do your own math.

[Stalagmite]

The last place you would ever find me working in or around is a fucking ghetto, thanks. I hope it was worth it for you though, filled with all excitement and adventure you dreamed of. No fucking Ghettos here thank fuck.

[SenisterDenister]

Junktown, its not a matter of municipality when you're comparing a town in Virginia to Washington D.C. One is under state jurisdiction and the other under federal.

The history lecture is about a piece of land that belonged to Virginia about 250 years ago - trust me its not apart of Virginia any more than Washington State is.

The federal government can only have absolute control over D.C. because its a federal district, anywhere else around it belongs to the states and don't give a fuck what the federal government does unless its explicitly enforcing national laws.

[Junktown Commando]

The last place you would ever find me working in or around is a fucking ghetto, thanks. I hope it was worth it for you though, filled with all excitement and adventure you dreamed of. No fucking Ghettos here thank fuck.

And yet you think to judge. Amazing.