What FO2 lacked and what F03 NEEDS!

[Constipated BladeRunner]

The mood of Fallout- it is a post apocalypse where you fight true communists (mutants), and to go along with that theme, you have art deco architecture, Falloutboy, Pipboy and any number of things.
The mood of FO2- you are fighting against right-winged weirdos who want to eliminate an "inferior" race, so that the norms (read white guys) can inharite the earth. This is a sort of post-apoc civil rights movement, and when you think about the civil rights movement, do you think 50ies? No, you think 60's. So why did FO2 still feal vaugley 50ies? Because of stupidity. We should have had the world of Fallout develope like our own. We should have had Jimi Hendrix's Star Spangled Banner, played to the last min. of the pre-apoc world, and then maybe some pop for the interior vault sceans.
This is what must be done for FO3- we must age the setting and the influances.
So what is 60s-70s sci-fi? Think a sort of post-apoc Clockwork Orange or 2001.

[The Shrike]

So you ar saying that every thing in fallout 3 should change from 50's sci-fi to fit the 60's-70's sci-fi you want. It realy sounds like that is what you are saying. If that is true you are a fucking idiot. Think about it for a second. It would be like a movie trillogy where the first two movies had a set universe and look to them and the 3rd movie used a compleatly different look. the movies would not feel as if they belonged together. the same thing would happen if this happened in fallout 3. Number 3 would not look like it belongs in the series.

The mood of FO2- you are fighting against right-winged weirdos who want to eliminate an "inferior" race, so that the norms (read white guys) can inharite the earth. This is a sort of post-apoc civil rights movement, and when you think about the civil rights movement, do you think 50ies? No, you think 60's. So why did FO2 still feal vaugley 50ies? Because of stupidity.

actualy it reminds me more of hitler you dumbass. exterminating the jews. this happened in the late 30's and early 40's before the 50's but not by that much. so in reality it does fit in the 50's look and feel to the game.

one last thing stop posting stupid shit CBR. We know you like Kubrick but it does not mean that fallout which has its own look already, has to look post-apoc Clockwork Orange or 2001.

[Constipated BladeRunner]

Yeah, but it was obviously America. This was not Nazi germany, 1944.
80 years went by.
This is a diffirent part of Califiornia.
I dont like being called a fuking idiot by somone who writes "ar".
It is not because I like Kubrick. I think the ideas behind FO changed in F02, and the style SHOULD have changed with it.
What is wrong with a triligy reinventing itself, anyway?
There was a distinct Death to Grandpa's Segregation ideas feel from the 1960ies in FO2. I did not get a Nazi feel.
O yeah.
The Final Solution, that killied millions of Jews was in 1944-45. What is the matter, are you illiterate?

[The Shrike]

Yeah, but it was obviously America. This was not Nazi germany, 1944.
80 years went by.

But the idea in the game was closer to nazi extermination than a post-apoc civil rights movement.

This is a diffirent part of Califiornia.

well so far most of california has kept the same architectual and technological style(art deco and big clunky computers, vacuume tubes, 50's style robots and energy weapons).

I dont like being called a fuking idiot by somone who writes "ar".

you make spelling errors all the time yourself. as for calling you a Fucking idiot, I should not have called you that but I hate it when people want to change the setting of a game with an established universe.

What is wrong with a triligy reinventing itself, anyway?

because it is not what it started out as it is somthing different. Fallout without the retro 50's setting is not going to be Fallout. This is the problem I had with the batman series of movies because the 3rd one had a different visual look to it. to me it got rid of the continuity of the series.

[Constipated BladeRunner]

Batman was diffirent.
The other batmans just plain sucked.

[The Shrike]

yeah the ones after the first sucked hard but number 2 at least looked like it belonged in the series.

enough about batman lets try and keep this topic on track.

[FireWolf]

I agree that fallout 2 followed the nazies more than it does of white supermists. Look at it this way, the president is not elected (as far as i am aware) the guys were based on a military hierarchy not a democratic one. There was an intricate secret police network and they wanted to eliminate anyone who was not part of the master race (i.e. not pure blood human).

Sounds like fascism and nazies to me. If you think it's a white supremist thing then your mind is clogged fulla shiat. I hate the idea of someone saying that white people look down on others. I dont care what colour you are, I dont care what you believe. As far as I am concerned we're all one species, what I do care about is when people make stupid judgements based on colour "whites persecute blacks!" been to south africa recently? "black people are singled out!" by themselves more often than not. Anyway I dont want to get into this debate.

Fallout remains 50's. There is no question of that. Trilogies which "reinvent" themselves become 2 movies and a spin off. If you try to change a working formula then your an idiot. There is no need to change the setting. Pretty much everyone here agrees that the 50's style is integral to the fallout universe. If you're going to change the inspirational material then change the friggin name and dont even attempt to call it fallout because it wont be fallout.

[Saint_Proverbius]

Yeah, but it was obviously America. This was not Nazi germany, 1944.

It's pretty obvious that the Enclave was taken from Nazi Germany, right down to the whole "Final Solution" thing there at the end where they were going to wipe out the "unpure" humans by gasing them.

80 years went by.

80? From 1944? Great War was 2077, that's 133 years. Fallout 2 was roughly 160 years after the Great War, so we're taking nearly three centuries.. Even then, I'm not sure what your point is about "80 years went by".

Fallout is from a 1950s point of view, so at most, 14 years went by in terms of thinking about a full scale. global war.

This is a diffirent part of Califiornia.

Uhhh.. different part of California... IN THE SAME UNIVERSE/SETTING.

It is not because I like Kubrick. I think the ideas behind FO changed in F02, and the style SHOULD have changed with it.

Why? There's not a reason it should change that makes sense.

Even if you don't get the fact that the universe and everything in it was as designed by someone from the 1950s, tt's not like people are building new houses and buildings. There's no plausible reason to change the style. None. Zip. Zilch. Zero. Nada.

What is wrong with a triligy reinventing itself, anyway?

Uhhh.. Because it pisses away the Fallout everyone knows and loves?

There was a distinct Death to Grandpa's Segregation ideas feel from the 1960ies in FO2. I did not get a Nazi feel.

Ghouls are segregated, sure, but there sure as hell wasn't much of an attempt by anyone to desegregate them. There was no civil rights movement for the ghouls in Fallout 2.

O yeah.
The Final Solution, that killied millions of Jews was in 1944-45. What is the matter, are you illiterate?

Why did they want to kill the Jews? They were unpure. How did they do it? They gased them.

You still don't see a parallel there?

[Ibbz]

hell Constipated, lets not only make it have a 60's and 70's feel - lets chuck some modern day culture in there like Pickachu and some transformers. Sure they dont make any sense in the game, but does that matter? course not!

Why stop there? when we could also have BARBIE! AND KEN!


Actually stuff Fallout being an RPG. Why dont we make it like the Sims??!!?! Now that would be fantastic! 'specially with Pickachu, transformers, Barbie and Ken!

[Constipated BladeRunner]

Heh.
I never really thought of the enclave being Nazis.
It is so obvious now- the clothing and everything.
I guess why I thought it had a certain civil rights movement to it was because it was set after FO1, which had a 1950's atmosphere.
Wow.
That was ignorant of me.
I dont think I can continue, doing what I did in the name of progress-progress?-progress. It was madness. Leave. Leave while you still have hope.

[Strap]

hey, but what if thats how it goes? or will end up going to not use the same recycled underlying plot of the 50's:
FO1=50's and you say FO2=about60's, so what if FO3=60's-70's scifi like?
whatever, dont listen to me

[VasikkA]

FO1=50's and you say FO2=about60's, so what if FO3=60's-70's scifi like?
whatever, dont listen to me

I'd like my Fallout 3 with 50's style scifi, oh and big fries, thanks.

Fallout 2 was closer to 90's in my opinion, it had very little of the 50's theme and added some modern weaponary and stuff like prostitution, crime and other 'typical' for the 90's. So as for Fallout 3, I'd like a step taken back to the original Fallout.

I'm not listening to you, actually I'm reading your typings.

[Som Guy]

Keep fallout in the 50's style defintly.
Everyone here seen that 70's show right. It was a pretty good show. But when they brought out that 80's show it sucked.
this proves you should not change something from its orginal state

[VasikkA]

The thing is if you try something new in a game series/whatever you will most likely piss off the original fans and if you don't change anything, it wont attract new consumers. As a game designer, you need to find the perfect balance. Keep the same original feeling and try to introduce new and better improvements that fit in the game.

[Saint_Proverbius]

The thing is if you try something new in a game series/whatever you will most likely piss off the original fans and if you don't change anything, it wont attract new consumers. As a game designer, you need to find the perfect balance. Keep the same original feeling and try to introduce new and better improvements that fit in the game.

Yeah, and what's even more fun is if you piss off the original fan base AND don't attract new buyers. I think X-Com: Apocalypse was a good example of this. BattleZone 2 did a good job of it as well.

[Som Guy]

hmmm well you are better off just sticking with the old fans and not putting it to chance. besides it may still attract new customers that may not have heard of fallout because it was before their time due to the mature rating or were not a gamer when it was released. This happened to me i didnt discover fallout 2 until i found it at a garage sale and now its my favorite game.

[Meths]

This is what must be done for FO3- we must age the setting and the influances.

No offence but at least as far as i'm concerned the retro style is only a detail - no need to keep it.
It's only my personal opinion, so as i said - no offence (please... :oops: )

[Som Guy]

none takin sorry if i offended you all im saying is it wouldnt be the same. and in my opinion the same is excatly what i want. this is the reason i think they wont develop a map editor that includes a script and world map editor because if they made a fallout 3 it would be like the transition between fallout 1 and 2 which wasnt that much

[boywoos]

the retro style is only a detail - no need to keep it. )

That was a pretty moronic comment, it's 2am, I've just come home from work and I can't be bothered arguing.

However, not to worry, someone else surely will. You just opened a whole can of whoop ass on yourself.

[Meths]

I've just come home from work and I can't be bothered arguing.

I'm not going to argue with anybody so i've armed my post with a lots of explanation. My opinion is that the retro style is kinda addition not as important as for example a good storyline. I liked this specific style of the previous Fallouts as well, but it might be difficult to implement correctly in the next edition.