Gareth Davies on CRPG combat

Pastorius · Post by **Pastorius** » Thu Dec 19, 2002 5:06 am

It's so pathetic it's almost funny...

Its Raymondo2000 · Post by **Its Raymondo2000** » Thu Dec 19, 2002 5:58 pm

lol I'm not banned from KCP go on it and check out my posts

No, you dumbass, next time read my fucking post you idiot.

Well I can spell it right not like "you dumbass" its really "you are a dumbass "

and I did read you fucking post and yet you are still a dumbass because I'm NOT banned from KCP, the only forum I'm banned from is DAC

YOU DUMBASS

Jimbo san · Post by **Jimbo san** » Thu Dec 19, 2002 6:37 pm

Its Raymondo2000 wrote:lol I'm not banned from KCP go on it and check out my posts

No, you dumbass, next time read my fucking post you idiot.
Well I can spell it right not like "you dumbass" its really "you are a dumbass " and I did read you fucking post and yet you are still a dumbass because I'm NOT banned from KCP, the only forum I'm banned from is DAC

YOU DUMBASS

Alright you retard, this is the last time i'm going through this for your sake, OK? Go out and learn to read. What my post said was that you had no right to complain about being banned from DAC at your new home KCP.
As for your little grammatical aside, let's do a little dissection, hmm?

Its Raymondo2000 wrote:you dumbass

Now, I read this as you calling me "dumbass", so I retorted, by saying:

Jimbo san wrote:No, you dumbass

Thus continuing on from what you had accused me of being.
Now, if you intend to come back and spam some more, then learn to read first.
P.S - I am very aware of your presence at KCP.

Its Raymondo2000 · Post by **Its Raymondo2000** » Thu Dec 19, 2002 7:27 pm

lol changing your story I see lol

Jeff · Post by **Jeff** » Thu Dec 19, 2002 7:40 pm

yeah lol wtf

Spazmo · Post by **Spazmo** » Thu Dec 19, 2002 8:34 pm

Why hasn't this idiot's IP been banned? Or at the very least had his posts edited. Where are the admins?

Its Raymondo2000 · Post by **Its Raymondo2000** » Thu Dec 19, 2002 8:40 pm

I don't listen to Drive Like Jehu because I'm a wanker!

Doyle · Post by **Doyle** » Thu Dec 19, 2002 9:46 pm

Or they could just press the little "X" in the corner and delete them faster than you can make them. If you really want to be irritating, I think it's in your best interest to find more efficient means.

Its Raymondo2000 · Post by **Its Raymondo2000** » Thu Dec 19, 2002 9:52 pm

well not really wanking, i need tweezers

Post by **DarkUnderlord** » Fri Dec 20, 2002 2:00 am

Spazmo wrote:Where are the admins?

[11:23] <Killzig> i just updated the in the news forum to only allow registered users to reply
[11:23] <Killzig> and i've already banned all his e-mail addresses that's why he can't register again

In IRC

Spazmo · Post by **Spazmo** » Fri Dec 20, 2002 2:48 am

*Sniff* God bless him...

Jimbo san · Post by **Jimbo san** » Fri Dec 20, 2002 5:03 pm

Hurrah! Thank you killzig!

Crow of Ill Omen · Post by **Crow of Ill Omen** » Sat Dec 28, 2002 12:29 am

I think Deathy's comments are not really fair, and DU's chat on IRC isn't really reflecting the true situation. Since Deathy (and others) have presented their very blurred view of what happened, I will present mine. Here are the actual facts of the situation, stated as briefly as I can:

I existed on RPGCodex for some weeks/months, had a few differences with people, but no more then most.
Saint Proverbius reviewd NWN, and I criticised him for not including the toolkit.
We had the usual debate about it, which ended with S_P deleting my last post and me getting a PM form Deathy titled "S_P is getting pissy with you"
In PMs, S_P basically flamed me and made up a pretty spurious reason for why he had deleted my post. Subsequently, about 3 people made the same comment about his review, and of course he couldn't delete them all so he let them stand.
Rosh, not until then a frequent RPGCodex user, turned up and started flaming me in every thread.
I left RPGCodex, and didn't go there much, feeling there was not real discussion happening outside what Rosh and S_P would allow with their insults and railroading.
Someone on DAC made a thread about S_P, and I related the series of events in it.
A few weeks later, I checked the RPGCodex site and backed up a criticism made by another user (smiley or MF I think) about the tendancy for the discussion to come back to BG. I did it in an offensive way, but certainly not more any offensive than S_P and Rosh use in almost every argument they have with people.
I was banned from RPGCodex. At the same time, I was banned from DAC without comment.
Dark Underlord had sent me some PMs about Rosh and S_P, so I told him about what had happened. I didn't go around telling all kinds of people. Outside mods and DU, I think I told one other person, and he was already disaffected from any sites involvng S_P. I didn't - for instance discuss Deathy or other users on IRC. I didn't, for instance, make snide comments to the forum about a user who cannot log in to defend himself.
I mailed the mods here and Killzig undid my ban
I contributed in this thread exactly as you have seen, avoiding Rosh's invitation to make a flamewar out of it.
I was banned again. I e-mailed the mods again, but this time it has not been undone.

That's about it. I would like to have my ban on here removed, since I like this site, but understand if Killzig thinks I am too much trouble. I do have a severe bone to pick with S_P after all. I never asked and wouldn't ask for my RPGCodex ban to be lifted.

I'm sorry for getting Jimmyjay in the poo. It was nice of him to C&P the stuff. I saw it more as a Section8 thing than an RPGCodex thing, but there you go. RPGCodex core userbase was inherited from DAC, after all.

[EDIT]BTW, this is the only account I have here and have ever had here. S_P didn't even ban my account. He just quietly blocked my IP and my work IP.

Rosh · Post by **Rosh** » Sat Dec 28, 2002 2:13 pm

Crow of Ill Omen wrote:I think Deathy's comments are not really fair, and DU's chat on IRC isn't really reflecting the true situation. Since Deathy (and others) have presented their very blurred view of what happened, I will present mine. Here are the actual facts of the situation, stated as briefly as I can:

Translation: Here's my usual spin and partially comprehended view on the subject, much like many other things I try to pontificate about.

I existed on RPGCodex for some weeks/months, had a few differences with people, but no more then most.

Translation: I kept posting loads of bullshit pontifications until it snowballed to the point of people getting tired of it, much like here.

Saint Proverbius reviewd NWN, and I criticised him for not including the toolkit.

Incorrect, you were waffling around as usual and couldn't give a straight answer, repeatedly.

We had the usual debate about it, which ended with S_P deleting my last post and me getting a PM form Deathy titled "S_P is getting pissy with you" In PMs, S_P basically flamed me and made up a pretty spurious reason for why he had deleted my post. Subsequently, about 3 people made the same comment about his review, and of course he couldn't delete them all so he let them stand.

No, you went much further than what you claim. Or did it ever occur to you that PMs might have been forwarded in the merit of verification? He only flamed you because you were being a twit, as usual.

Rosh, not until then a frequent RPGCodex user, turned up and started flaming me in every thread.

No, and again you're lying. I called you at the frequent loads of shit pseudo-knowledge you keep posting, and also remarked about your cowardly acts of mouth-stuffing. Let's not forget that point where you kept saying I was implying that "No new MMORPGs will ever make money." over at T-A, RPGCodex, and here, when it was clear I didn't say such. You've still not admitted to it, instead in that thread at RPGCodex you resorted to whining about my short manner with you. Well, kid, wah. If you don't like it, don't be such a conversational sleaze.

I left RPGCodex, and didn't go there much, feeling there was not real discussion happening outside what Rosh and S_P would allow with their insults and railroading.

Amusing that you say that, since your only tactic was posting some utter nonsense, later backing it up with irrelevent, out of context links you found on Google. Even observable here, your manner has been one of hyperbole and tangents, including entire posts with nothing to do with the topic.

Someone on DAC made a thread about S_P, and I related the series of events in it.

No, you posted some bullshit that had NOTHING to do with the topic at hand. You're getting to be quite the moron if you expect anyone to fall for that one. Since a link to said post in question was reposted in this thread, your spin has become null and void. Your methods have become transparent and ineffective.

I contributed in this thread exactly as you have seen, avoiding Rosh's invitation to make a flamewar out of it.

Cut the sniveling, dipshit. I've caught you at your game, repeatedly. The number of people who are wisening up to you just increases every time.

I was banned again. I e-mailed the mods again, but this time it has not been undone.

Funny, how did you post?

I'm sorry for getting Jimmyjay in the poo.

Nah, he sticks his nose into things without having a clue. Just like yourself.

[EDIT]BTW, this is the only account I have here and have ever had here. S_P didn't even ban my account. He just quietly blocked my IP and my work IP.

And then you went whining all over the place about it. Cut the victim complex already. I think the most amusing thing would be that without you, the discussions are quite in-depth and rational, rather than some poker-bluff of pseudo-knowledge like you are wont to do. It's also quite civil, because people don't have to deal with a person who needs to resort to tangents and misrepresentation, among other weak mind-game attempts of yours.

The irony of that is so strong, magnets are going beserk.

Jeff · Post by **Jeff** » Sat Dec 28, 2002 3:46 pm

Hehe, Crow Of Ill Omen's last post on Codex:

"They'll [Saint and Rosh] moan about [Jefferson's] imagined problems before the game is even in announced, then get back to the BG littany of woes."

Flamebait? Could it be....

Crow of Ill Omen · Post by **Crow of Ill Omen** » Sun Dec 29, 2002 1:19 am

Or possibly a fair comment. Go read a few of their threads, and tell me BG isn't featured highly in most of them and that the same old comments aren't always being made. I'll admit I wasn't feeling kindly disposed towards S_P or Rosh when I made that comment, but then neither would you have been.

Anyone can check out the situation for themselves if they are interested in it. Look at posts made by S_P towards me before his NWN article, then look at the ones afterwards (also, note the fact Rosh turns up about that time and flames me incessantly). If you're not interested in checking the facts of the situation out, then any of your comments/opinion on it will be uninformed.

For that matter, just compare my posts to Rosh's on any forum and you'll see who the flamer is.

The truth is, that my days on RPGCodex were numbered as soon as I criticised S_P's review of NWN in a way he couldn't dismiss lightly. That may be a truth that most users of DAC never get to see, but S_P knows it, which is all that matters. Now, when he pours on the derision over someone else's work, he'll know that he can't take even a small amount of politely worded criticism of his own.

Rosh · Post by **Rosh** » Sun Dec 29, 2002 9:17 am

Crow of Ill Omen wrote:Or possibly a fair comment. Go read a few of their threads, and tell me BG isn't featured highly in most of them and that the same old comments aren't always being made. I'll admit I wasn't feeling kindly disposed towards S_P or Rosh when I made that comment, but then neither would you have been.

Yet again you've not addressed the point of your post in regards to the impostor thread. A post that much like any of your posts, having nothing really to do with the topic at hand yet has some tangential flamebait inherent to it.

It's a prime example of your flamebait, compounded with your use of hyperbole. Then you whine when you get flamed. Get a clue, dipshit. Grow some balls and either face up to what you garner in reply to your bullshit, and quit playing the victim. Or you could continue in your pathetic downward spiral, which I do have to admit is becoming increasingly more amusing, again, in its completely pathetic nature.

Anyone can check out the situation for themselves if they are interested in it. Look at posts made by S_P towards me before his NWN article, then look at the ones afterwards (also, note the fact Rosh turns up about that time and flames me incessantly).

No, I was around substantially before then. Another lie, debunked. You might also notice that the only times I flamed you was when you posted flamebait and/or lied, just like you've been doing now twice in a row.

If you're not interested in checking the facts of the situation out, then any of your comments/opinion on it will be uninformed.

Much like how you pontificate whilst knowing little about the subject matter. The irony and hypocrisy of your statement is rich.

For that matter, just compare my posts to Rosh's on any forum and you'll see who the flamer is.

A highly irrelevent point when it is yourself who posts the flamebait that is mostly comprised of clueless bullshit.

The truth is, that my days on RPGCodex were numbered as soon as I criticised S_P's review of NWN in a way he couldn't dismiss lightly. That may be a truth that most users of DAC never get to see, but S_P knows it, which is all that matters. Now, when he pours on the derision over someone else's work, he'll know that he can't take even a small amount of politely worded criticism of his own.

Spin it, baby! Hey, Deathy saw right through your charade immediately, and I'd say others of note have, too. Take this as a good clue, Crow. Your games are getting weak and obvious, and you're not fooling many people anymore, if any at all.

Saint_Proverbius · Post by **Saint_Proverbius** » Sun Dec 29, 2002 2:50 pm

Crow of Ill Omen wrote:I existed on RPGCodex for some weeks/months, had a few differences with people, but no more then most.

Targetting moderators on a forum is never smart, Fatman. Consider it a lesson learned in manners.

Saint Proverbius reviewd NWN, and I criticised him for not including the toolkit.

You also said the review was biased because I didn't go in to detail about the editors like any average review would. This was really funny, since your post started with, "I agree with everything in the review", followed by "It's biased". Then I asked you three times to show me an example of an "average" review of NWN that goes in to detail on the editors. After the third time, I told you that if you couldn't produce a URL for one, then don't post about it again.

You posted about that again without said URL, but spinning your wheels on the subject at hand, so I deleted your post. You reposted it, so I deleted it again. Repeat this six times.

We had the usual debate about it, which ended with S_P deleting my last post and me getting a PM form Deathy titled "S_P is getting pissy with you"

Again, because you were doing little more than trolling. In fact, it could be summarize with:

Your review doesn't have an in depth section on the editors like every other review!

Show me one that does.

Your review doesn't have an in depth section on the editors like every other review!

Okay, once more. Show me one that does.

Your review doesn't have an in depth section on the editors like every other review!

Okay, third time. Show me one that does. Until you can, then don't bother posting about it again.

Even Calis agreed that you posting in that thread was nothing more than trolling.

In PMs, S_P basically flamed me and made up a pretty spurious reason for why he had deleted my post. Subsequently, about 3 people made the same comment about his review, and of course he couldn't delete them all so he let them stand.

Show me

Also, it's fun to leave out the part where your original thread was flamebait, which I ignored. In fact, your second paragraph is:

Sheriff_Fatman on the NWN review wrote:I think it's a bit hypocritical to claim you reviewed what the game shipped with, though. You actually only reviewed a small fraction of the software that came in the box. Ignoring the tools suited your purpose, since it meant you didn't have to give any credit.

Which is funny, because I even mentioned the toolset in the summary as being a nice addition to the game. Now, rather than acknowledging the fact I did mention them as a PLUS for the game, you decide to say I didn't mention them enough.

Also, keep in mind at this point, before he even PMed me, he PMed Deathy about what a horrible, evil person I was and how I should be removed from the site. FUNNY HE LEFT THAT PART OUT, ISN'T IT?

I left RPGCodex, and didn't go there much, feeling there was not real discussion happening outside what Rosh and S_P would allow with their insults and railroading.

Not true at all. You came back to RPG Codex a week later and started flaming me in a news comment.

This reply, dated December 7th

Notice that's long after he claims he won't come back to RPG Codex OR DAC, which he did in the NWN review comments as well as in posts on Terra-Arcanum.

In fact, for someone that's not going to be visiting DAC or RPG Codex, he does it quite a bit, despite the fact he can't take a hint because I keep banning his IPs.

If he had stayed away, like it said he would, he'd never have gotten banned. However, the fact he decided to come back and start a flamewar, it's hardly surprising his IPs keep getting banned.

Someone on DAC made a thread about S_P, and I related the series of events in it.

Which:

A.) Weren't true in the first place.
B.) Was totally off the topic of the thread.
C.) Kind of goes against your whole, "I won't be going to DAC and RPG Codex ever again.

A few weeks later, I checked the RPGCodex site and backed up a criticism made by another user (smiley or MF I think) about the tendancy for the discussion to come back to BG. I did it in an offensive way, but certainly not more any offensive than S_P and Rosh use in almost every argument they have with people.

Again, after the claim you said you'd never visit those sites again. Rather than coming back waving the peace pipe, you decide it'd be fun to start heap big trouble.

So, I replied NICELY to you, and you decided to start heap big trouble part two. That's when you were banned.

You came back and insisted on starting a flame war, after I told you I wasn't going to put up with your bullshit on RPG Codex like I have on here.

I was banned from RPGCodex. At the same time, I was banned from DAC without comment.

In short, HAH! HAH!

Dark Underlord had sent me some PMs about Rosh and S_P, so I told him about what had happened. I didn't go around telling all kinds of people. Outside mods and DU, I think I told one other person, and he was already disaffected from any sites involvng S_P.

Really? Only one person? Let's try to keep your story straight, shall we? You're claiming this after you've admitted to the whole AIRING OF THE DIRTY LAUNDRY post here on this forum.

Only one person.. hah! Steeped in bullshit, are we?

I didn't - for instance discuss Deathy or other users on IRC. I didn't, for instance, make snide comments to the forum about a user who cannot log in to defend himself.

Humor, part 2.

I mailed the mods here and Killzig undid my ban

Which was stupid of Killian, especially considering he didn't know all the facts and only got YOUR SIDE of it. Your side, as we can see from this thread, are filled with bullshit.

I was banned again. I e-mailed the mods again, but this time it has not been undone.

Because now they know WHY you were banned.

That's about it. I would like to have my ban on here removed, since I like this site, but understand if Killzig thinks I am too much trouble. I do have a severe bone to pick with S_P after all. I never asked and wouldn't ask for my RPGCodex ban to be lifted.

Again, they all know the WHOLE STORY now. Now everyone that reads this thread will know as well, Fatman. Notice all the pretty links of evidence I provided. Kind of DAMNING, aren't they?

[EDIT]BTW, this is the only account I have here and have ever had here. S_P didn't even ban my account. He just quietly blocked my IP and my work IP.

Actually, anyone that's asked was told you were banned. I told everyone on IRC you were banned. It's not a huge secret. However, if you'd like the status thing that goes with it! Here it comes!

boywoos · Post by **boywoos** » Sun Dec 29, 2002 4:13 pm

Sorry to go off topic, but what is trolling?

Vergilius · Post by **Vergilius** » Sun Dec 29, 2002 5:00 pm

Heh, Like this thread has been On Topic..

Posting only to irritate/annoy/enrage people, nonsense post etc.. Someone probably have a better explanation..