Trigger/feature wish list part 2

[Max-Violence]

Well, I for one would like a Remove Objective and/or Change Objective action. This would make it easy and not-too-ugly to make a twist in the map's storyline, since once an objective is added, the only way for it to change is using the Complete Objective action, and in most cases, that won't do.

Such as if the PCs are tasked with assassinating some NPC. If the PCs get to the NPC and find that he/she is already dead, the objective should change to "Find the person who killed the NPC before you got there"

Currently, if one wants to do that, one has to "complete" the first objective so the player knows that they no longer have to worry about the NPC. But since the player didn't really kill the NPC themselves, it would be a tad confusing if the objective was "completed."

A feature I would like is to be able to have more than one tiles folder open and accessible at the same time (like they have in the StarCraft editor). It's a pain in the backside to keep changing folders back n' forth n' such.

Oh, and having the tile and sprite editors would be handy :twisted:

[OnTheBounce]

A feature I would like is to be able to have more than one tiles folder open and accessible at the same time (like they have in the StarCraft editor). It's a pain in the backside to keep changing folders back n' forth n' such.

Why not just use Tile Sets? The feature is bugged in the editor and you'll need to dl an utility - or is it a batch file? - to place quotes in the proper places or do it manually (the utility won't work if you're using Win ME, though).

Your idea for remove/modify objective is "nifty". I'd say the best way to do it w/the extant tools would be to have the objective completed and to augment that w/either forced speech from an NPC on the map, or to use World Text, perhaps using the title "Narrator" if you're going for the more RPG-oriented approach rather than the military-organization-on-series-of-missions approach.

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[Max-Violence]

the utility won't work if you're using Win ME, though).

Well, guess what?

perhaps using the title "Narrator"

Perhaps... but still, I'd much rather have a Change/Remove Objective action

[Max-Violence]

Hey, I'm "Respected" now! It's about damn time!

[War Bringer]

i like MV's idea for changing objectives. it helps to add plot twists.

i forgot if this was brought up before, but can karma be used as a trigger in the game, other than changing the ending?

[OnTheBounce]

Well, guess what?

I'm going to take a shot in the dark here and guess that you're running Win ME... (If I'm wrong, do I get more guesses? )

Hey, I'm "Respected" now! It's about damn time!

Don't pay attention to forum titles. They lie... :mrgreen:

...[C]an karma be used as a trigger in the game, other than changing the ending?

Yep, sure can. This is one of the easier Trait/Stat qualifiers to use, too. Since only the Main Character is awarded Reputation when the "Gain Repuration" trigger is used you don't have to worry about making very small zones that only a single character will fit into. You can simply use the "Quantity Player" trigger and the zone can be set to "Anywhere".

You can use this type of trigger for all kinds of things. For instance, you could have someone like Paladin Lancelot standing around and instead of just giving him a single click speech node, you could write up several that reflect the character's Reputation. If the Rep was high (at least for that point in the game), you could have lines like, "I've heard only good things about you." If the Rep were low you could have lines like, "Fuck you, I don't talk to scumbags like *you*..."

You could also use this to have certain quests available only to characters w/good, bad, or indifferent Rep. I'm not going to say that "the only limitation is your imagination," I will say that there is a lot that can be done, especially if you're the type that likes to fiddle with rules.

Cheers,

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[Max-Violence]

I'm going to take a shot in the dark here and guess that you're running Win ME...

Yep! You get a cookie! 8)

Don't pay attention to forum titles. They lie... :mrgreen:

Oh? ... ... ...... ............ ...

I forgot all about checking/changing reputation! I could've done some cool stuff in Jailbreak! ARG!

Oh well, that's what Rebellion is for

[OnTheBounce]

Yep! You get a cookie! 8)

All right!

Um...are we talking baked goods or TXT files here?

BTW, I'm in the same boat. I was pissed when I saw the Win ME wasn't included in the list of platforms that supported the batch. Then again, I never wanted Win ME in the first place, having been satisfied w/Win 98 SE. TYVM, MS for having crammed all of this down our throats... :roll:

I forgot all about checking/changing reputation!

This is one of my favorite things to do. Rather than having a few things that affect your Rep in big ways I've gone for having lots of little things affect your Rep in little ways.

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[War Bringer]

This is one of my favorite things to do. Rather than having a few things that affect your Rep in big ways I've gone for having lots of little things affect your Rep in little ways.

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Wow. That just opens up a load of ideas, like not being able to finish a town/mission without completing a load of "good deeds" to earn karma.

here's another question (it might be an obvious one, but it's easier asking since I'm already here)

Can the "goto" trigger thing do its ... well, thing ... after a condition is met? What I'm wondering about is the possibility to create little quests that you goto. In the original series, you'd automatically goto a quest just after talking to someone.

[OnTheBounce]

Can the "goto" trigger thing do its ... well, thing ... after a condition is met? What I'm wondering about is the possibility to create little quests that you goto. In the original series, you'd automatically goto a quest just after talking to someone.

Yes, absolutely. However, you'd have to have the player transported back to the World Map after finishing the sub-quest, rather than using another "GoTo Mission" trigger. Unless you do it this way, you'll end up having the game reload the "town" that the player received the sub-quest in from the original mission file.

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[Chaos]

Well, I for one would like a Remove Objective and/or Change Objective action. This would make it easy and not-too-ugly to make a twist in the map's storyline, since once an objective is added, the only way for it to change is using the Complete Objective action, and in most cases, that won't do.

Such as if the PCs are tasked with assassinating some NPC. If the PCs get to the NPC and find that he/she is already dead, the objective should change to "Find the person who killed the NPC before you got there"

Currently, if one wants to do that, one has to "complete" the first objective so the player knows that they no longer have to worry about the NPC. But since the player didn't really kill the NPC themselves, it would be a tad confusing if the objective was "completed."

Well i have an idea have it so that a trigger will go off at a certain amount of time into the mission and the trigger will make the person you have to find kill the person your supposed to assasinate and use the add objective when this happens and set the other objective to complete when you find the body.

[Jimmyjay86]

How about a trigger condition something like this:

If explosion happens in zone

This would be great for simulating an exploding entity when a grenade or rocket or even a trap explodes in a discrete zone. Then you could have an action which would switch a wall entity with a broken wall entity for example which would allow access into a previously inaccessable area.

[Flamescreen]

There would be some problems with this idea I'm going to suggest, but could you do this wall behave like an actor with so low HP that each one of this weapons/explosives would kill it and you need to provide only an "everyone dead in zone" trigger?

[Jimmyjay86]

Yeah, that may work. I'll have to look into it to see how it could be implemented and what problems may appear.

[Max-Violence]

:idea:

I'd also like a way to specify how many of an item to give when using the 'Give item from NPC to Human' and 'Give item from Human to NPC' actions without having to have an action for every single item (handy for money, ammo, etc.).

Oh, and OTB: I was talkin' 'bout baked goods

[Jimmyjay86]

How about this one for a trigger action:

If Unit XXX is next to Unit YYY

I can't tell you how crappy it is to have to have an NPC stay stationary so that you can interact with him in a specific zone. This could be great for where you have to hunt down a wandering NPC to give him something or talk to him.

[Max-Violence]

Yes indeed.

Click speech would work for that, but not nearly as well as 'Unit X is Y yards/meters/whatever from Unit Z' would be.

[Max-Violence]

I'd also like a "Copy Player Index" function in the PI Editor (the thing that pops up when you click Player...).

The ability to copy a PI from one number to another would be so very handy when making patrol routes.

[Max-Violence]

The ability to zoom out (and back in, of course) would be so damn useful in determining how one's map looks (and what the minimap render'll look like), it's almost funny. If someone could figure out how to run the editor in a higher resolution than 1024x768 (which is what the editor runs in... I think), that'd be a start.

Um, is it just me, or am I the only one posting in this thread anymore?

[Shadowvalor]

The ability to zoom out (and back in, of course) would be so damn useful in determining how one's map looks (and what the minimap render'll look like), it's almost funny. If someone could figure out how to run the editor in a higher resolution than 1024x768 (which is what the editor runs in... I think), that'd be a start.

FoT can be run in whatever resolution your computer can run in.
Run a shortcut with -w in the command line. It will start windowed, so then you can mazimise it to fit the screen. The level editor adjusts and shows more of your map.
It does run a tiny bit slower, though.