This just doesn't seem right.

Evil Guru · Post by **Evil Guru** » Thu Jan 30, 2003 9:33 pm

I'm playing evil, I have -835 Karma, and just recently I somehow picked up the "Champion" trait. I'm sure I've killed more good people than evil people. Besides, evil people kill each other all the time, that doesn't automatically make them good.

Falche doesn't have a way to get rid of this so I guess I'm gonna have to do it the old fashioned way. Things aren't looking good for the old NCR.

Radoteur · Post by **Radoteur** » Thu Jan 30, 2003 9:44 pm

Hmm... That's weird.
Do you get Champion for killing evil people?
Evil people DO kill evil people, but they should get along with each other better than good people. Just makes more sense.
Depends on what type of evil you are.
Lara killed Tyler's gang with me. Hmm.. not sure if she was evil, though. I think got positive karma for it. Oh well, I'm playing a good guy now.
Evil guy next.

Red · Post by **Red** » Thu Jan 30, 2003 11:44 pm

I think that's how it works, but it's something close to that anyhow "1/2 people killed are good -> Berserker; 2/3 bad people killed = Champion. Can't have both of course and you need some minimum of total kills.

Some kills don't "count" (ie: "neutral people"), I'm not sure wether they count as total people you've killed (I guess not since msot creatures (rats) fit into that category. It's NOT relevant with your karma nor how you solve quests.

So if you spent some time running and killing stuff in random encounters this might have skewed your good/evil kills.

Evil Guru · Post by **Evil Guru** » Thu Jan 30, 2003 11:55 pm

I've never had that happen with an evil character before, but I solved that problem real quick. Childkiller!

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Fri Jan 31, 2003 5:30 am

Hehe, smart move, bud :)

Evil Guru · Post by **Evil Guru** » Fri Jan 31, 2003 7:08 am

One dead kid, no more Champion. Plus you get more bounty hunter encounters (Childkiller!), a must have for the evil character.

Radoteur · Post by **Radoteur** » Fri Jan 31, 2003 7:42 am

Is it harder to join mob families with childkiller?

Evil Guru · Post by **Evil Guru** » Fri Jan 31, 2003 8:00 am

Radoteur wrote:Is it harder to join mob families with childkiller?

I believe that only applies to the Wrights. Pornstar will also get you banned from the Wright household, as well as Slaver. They're only good for getting the SAD location, so if you don't plan on doing that, fuck 'em. But if you're playing a good character, that's the family to go with.

Warlord · Post by **Warlord** » Fri Jan 31, 2003 5:02 pm

I've never had trouble getting the Wright quests w/ pornstar. Haven't tried Slaver.

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Fri Jan 31, 2003 6:17 pm

The only time when you might encounter trouble with Pornstar-title is when talking to Mrs. Ethyl Wright. The solution is to complete her quests before becoming Pornstar, of course. Otherwise the Wrights won't care.

Evil Guru · Post by **Evil Guru** » Fri Jan 31, 2003 8:58 pm

Oh yeah, it's Mrs. Wright that won't talk to you with the pornstar, slaver. Mr. Wrights son wouldn't let me in to see him, which could be for one of many things I guess. I just sneak past him to talk to Mr. Wright, who doesn't seem to care about you're past.