TeamX presents: the Arroyo-Klamath mod

Sol Invictus · Post by **Sol Invictus** » Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:52 pm

I admit, most of the features sound extremely promising. Especially the stuff with the NPCs and the 'rank'-related quests. But the fact that the Temple of Trials is being made harder doesn't appeal to me at all. It's bad enough that there was a Temple of Trials in Fallout 2 in the first place. One reason that it's bad is because it doesn't fit into the setting. The more important reason is that it makes it almost impossible for pro-speech characters to get out of there.

Tsk.

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Mon Feb 10, 2003 4:28 pm

Exitium wrote: it makes it almost impossible for pro-speech characters to get out of there.

Tsk.

Tsk, tsk, Exitium... I always play as pro-speech characters. If you know how to build proper characters, it isn't a trick at all to get through the Temple of Trials.

Doyle · Post by **Doyle** » Mon Feb 10, 2003 4:34 pm

Wasteland Ghost wrote:Russian fans have no problems with the passing :) so what is with you?

I'd imagine living in a communist government for so long trains you to take what you can get. ;)

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Mon Feb 10, 2003 5:06 pm

Doyle, it's been 12 years since the Soviet Union collapsed, stop dreaming about your cold-war scenarios already ;)

Charly aka Lunat!c · Post by **Charly aka Lunat!c** » Mon Feb 10, 2003 5:06 pm

Hey! Don't touch our dear communist goverment! :) Our team leader's nickname is Communist. And that is true. Mwa-ha-ha!

Sol Invictus · Post by **Sol Invictus** » Mon Feb 10, 2003 7:48 pm

Kashluk wrote:
Exitium wrote: it makes it almost impossible for pro-speech characters to get out of there.

Tsk.
Tsk, tsk, Exitium... I always play as pro-speech characters. If you know how to build proper characters, it isn't a trick at all to get through the Temple of Trials.

Excuse me? Proper characters? I just happen to be the kind of person who'd go through the game with a character that doesn't (if ever) kill anybody, just for the sake of seeing if it would work. It worked in Fallout. But characters like those just get thrown out of the gene pool in the Temple of Trials due to lack of strength or agility.

Jeff · Post by **Jeff** » Mon Feb 10, 2003 8:59 pm

haracters like those just get thrown out of the gene pool in the Temple of Trials due to lack of strength or agility.

Hmm, what do you need strength for if you're playing a diplomat? And running away from the critters doesn't require that much agility either, I think it takes 3 AP to run away from an ant so that it can't attack you.

I don't understand why people complain about ToT being super-duper-difficult for diplomat characters. Sure you'll probably take a few hits, but still it's not what I'd call challenging.

Rat Keeng · Post by **Rat Keeng** » Mon Feb 10, 2003 9:46 pm

There's at least three areas where you cannot run away from the ants. And with game difficulty on hard, with a diplomatic character, you have shit for fighting skills, so you can actually get pwned by a couple of ants.

A good mod for Fallout 2 would be a mod that removes all ants from the game :)

Doyle · Post by **Doyle** » Mon Feb 10, 2003 10:12 pm

Good idea.

Radoteur · Post by **Radoteur** » Tue Feb 11, 2003 4:24 am

Maybe you can just turn the combat and game difficulty to wimpy/easy for the Temple of Trials area.
I liked the idea of needing some sort of a test, rite of passage before I was appointed with the task to return the holy GECK. If they were going to go tribal, might as well go all the way.
I just thought that there being a temple was kinda stupid. I mean, why are these tribals living in yurts, if they can build a huge temple. Or if they didn't build the temple, why can't they live inside it?
I didn't have too much trouble with my diplomatic sniper, who had horrible melee skills. He had Good Natured along with Gifted, which brought down the initial fighting skills very very low. Did have Aglity of 9, though so I could hit and run. Killed all the ants and scorps in the cave without a scratch.

Jeff · Post by **Jeff** » Tue Feb 11, 2003 1:29 pm

Rat Keeng wrote:There's at least three areas where you cannot run away from the ants. And with game difficulty on hard, with a diplomatic character, you have shit for fighting skills, so you can actually get pwned by a couple of ants.

I just tried it yesterday with hard difficulty & tough combat. Funny how I never noticed those areas you're talking about... so what do you mean?

You don't need to collect those spears and healing powder bags and other useless junk, just run to the end dude and convince him that you don't need to fight (or steal the key from him) - piece of cake. I think you get double experience points that way, too (600xp instead of 300xp or something).

A good mod for Fallout 2 would be a mod that removes all ants from the game :)

Yeah, agreed. Especially the ants in Broken Hills were quite annoying.

Communist · Post by **Communist** » Tue Feb 11, 2003 2:07 pm

There's at least three areas where you cannot run away from the ants.

By the way, there are these areas?
Then you enter the Temple, you must open the first door and close it over your back. On the end or the second map you must put the stone block and go to the next map. On the third map you must close the door over your back, too. So, you don't lose any HP. Look, if you play with a diplomatic character, you must think. If you play Fallout with intellect character, the game check your intelligence and make your game easely.
But in the Arroyo-Klamath mod you'll think yourself. If you won't - play with warrior.

And second thing. It's very strange for me, that all funs there talk a lot about the Temple of Trial etc.. The Temple is only 1/2 part of demo-version. There are quests and dialogs. I wanna hear what you think about it.

Jeff · Post by **Jeff** » Tue Feb 11, 2003 2:51 pm

Lasse wrote:Will this overwrite my current installation somehow, or can I still play the original FO2 without reinstalling
Lasse wrote:Will this overwrite my current installation somehow, or can I still play the original FO2 without reinstalling
Lasse wrote:Will this overwrite my current installation somehow, or can I still play the original FO2 without reinstalling

axelgreese · Post by **axelgreese** » Tue Feb 11, 2003 6:57 pm

Hey I think Lasse is trying to ask us something...

Doyle · Post by **Doyle** » Tue Feb 11, 2003 8:17 pm

Not only will it overwrite your installation, Lasse, it will also delete your registry and cause flames to shoot out of your cd rom drive at approximately groin height.

Mad Max RW · Post by **Mad Max RW** » Tue Feb 11, 2003 8:43 pm

How about a mod that removes the Temple of Trials altogether? Or has it been done already? Because it sounds like something dozens of people would have made by now.

VasikkA · Post by **VasikkA** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 2:40 pm

Mad Max RW wrote:How about a mod that removes the Temple of Trials altogether? Or has it been done already? Because it sounds like something dozens of people would have made by now.

I wouldn't mind that at all. The whole tribal setting was pretty lame starting point for Fallout 2 anyway. Temple of Trials is illogical, why would a group of dumb tribals build a huge obstacle course temple when they can't even properly grow crops? Temple of Trials is not even a good tutorial.

Spazmo · Post by **Spazmo** » Thu Feb 13, 2003 12:27 am

The tribal thing is cool (read Earth Abides, damn you!), but the Temple of Trials is garbage.

Rat Keeng · Post by **Rat Keeng** » Fri Feb 14, 2003 2:00 pm

If you wanna try skipping the temple, give this a go. Works for me.

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Fri Feb 14, 2003 3:14 pm

I agree with Lasse here. Temple of Trials isn't hard at all, I've been through it several times with 5 STR and 5 AGI. Run away from the ants and open the doors, that's all you have to do.