Satanisgreat Presents: Movies from Hell

Jawz II · Post by **Jawz II** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 8:34 am

about the remake of seven samurais,the magnificent seven, when i was a little kid i had that movie on tape,i mustve seen it like at least 30 times

hey can someone tell what happened to yul brenner?

that was one cool bald dood imo

ps.bridgerunner, suicide?! thats the worst idea ever,r u stoopid or sumthin?

right now i feel more motivated to kill u >)

Brother None · Post by **Brother None** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 12:56 pm

Seven Samurai was fantastic, though not my favourite of all tmie. It might be the most significant film ever, though. Yes, it does beat Citizen Kane.

Top Gun? It's only reason for existing is to be spoofed by the fantastic "Hot Shots!"

Eye Wides Sucks...sucked. Did anyone even pay a bit of attention when Cruise and Kitylitter are supposed to be stoned? Man, it's been a while since I saw performances of such low quality. It really is under par, even for those two.

Mulholland drive was stupid. I never liked artsie-fartsie films, I don't think a movie being made can be justified only by "Yeah, well, nobody understands it and it's well-made, so it's art". That thought spawns crap like Full Frontal.

That said, I did like Mulholland dr., but I still think it was stupid.

PS: Yul Brynner? Died in 1985 of lung cancer.

Megatron · Post by **Megatron** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 1:50 pm

I liked mulholland dr., though I think foreign films are usually stupid? What's the point in reading a movie, might as well go to the library. OTT-anything Japanese films are good though.

Jawz II · Post by **Jawz II** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 3:25 pm

damn shame he died

ive never seen citizen kane,i would like to see it

btw what is so damn hard about reading the subtitles

i mean hollywood dose produce some of the best movies in the world

but yall gotta admit most movies to come outta that town r horseshit

one of the best movies ive ever seen was a yugoslavian film,called underground

my friend recommended it,it was fucking awesome

i rented it and though well if it suxx i wont watch it

its about the civil war there,its like a dark comedy
funny and tragic at the same time

it might be the best movie ive ever seen

also, u cant beat german hardcore porn

Bridgeburner · Post by **Bridgeburner** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 6:53 pm

Jawz II wrote:also, u cant beat german hardcore porn :)

anybody seen Lola Rennt or Das Experiment? very kewl german movies.

OTT-anything Japanese films are good though.

Dead or Alive. Battle Royale. Ichi the Killer. Audition. Miike = gawd

Brother None · Post by **Brother None** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 7:22 pm

Jawz II wrote:btw what is so damn hard about reading the subtitles

Uhh, dunno about you people, but I basically always have subtitles with movies I watch. I'm Dutch, we Dutch rarely or never dub foreign films, so the only movies being broadcast without subtitles are Dutch movies (Soldaat van Oranje is brilliant, as is de Vierde Man)

Dubbing, in my opinion, is the work of satan and should be prevented at all time.

Now, with dvd, I can finally watch my favourite English movies in peace without those damned subtitles.

I said I dislike artsie-fartsie films. Foreign films aren't by definition artsie-fartsie...And Germany (Das Boot), France (La Haine), Italy (La Dolce Vita, La Vita e Bella), Japan (Yojimbo, Shichinin no Samurai, Sen to Chihiro no kamikakushi) and Hong-Kong (Ying Huang Boon Sik, Wo hu cang long, Die xue shuang xiong, Wong Fei-hung) have rich and brilliant movie histories.

atoga · Post by **atoga** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 9:03 pm

What's not to understand about Mulholland Drive? It's fairly straightforward after you watch it a few times, and then it can really be appreciated. It's not like a lot of other movies that "LOL ARE CONFUSING SO THEY MUST BE GUD?" If you still can't get it, go to a local bookstore and pick up any good film studies book, I'm sure you'll find a full explanation there.

OnTheBounce · Post by **OnTheBounce** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 10:00 pm

Kharn wrote:Seven Samurai was fantastic, though not my favourite of all tmie. It might be the most significant film ever, though. Yes, it does beat Citizen Kane.

Like I said earlier in the thread, its often hard for people to see just what the hype is all about since most people have little sense of history to begin with, and less about film history. Some of them stand up as very good films on their own, but, especially in the case of Citizen Kane w/o taking a look at what was being done in the same period most people will end up disappointed. That being said, Seven Samurai is an excellent film as it is, and Citizen Kane is very good. In the latter I especially enjoyed the use of worm's eye view camera angles. (Welles didn't invent it by a long shot, since it was used in Nosferatu, but still he used it very well.)

kharn wrote:Yul Brynner? Died in 1985 of lung cancer.

Yes, he was making anti-smoking commercials before he died, too.

Quite a few of the actors in The Magnificent Seven are dead now. Yul Brenner, Steve McQueen, Horst Buchholz, James Coburn, and now Charles Bronson.

As for Eyes Wide Shut, I still haven't seen it. When it came out I boycotted it due to its having been censored after Kubrick's death, and from what I've heard since then I'm thinkin' it can wait a bit. I'll eventually see it, I suppose, but I'll make sure I can do it for free.

Kharn wrote:Dubbing, in my opinion, is the work of satan and should be prevented at all time.

I agree, I really hate dubbed movies, and not just because it invariably sounds like they were redubbed in a tin can. A sub-titled film is already working against the language barrier, but a dubbed film works against the language barrier and also is constrained by having to conform to the onscreen movement of mouths. No thanks.

I do find it amusing to watch German films w/the English subtitles on, though. It's amusing to see how much is lost in the translation. (They could do a better job in many cases, but you'd be reading a book onscreen if that were the case, complete w/asides and footnotes.)

bridgeburner wrote:anybody seen Lola Rennt or Das Experiment? very kewl german movies.

I have Lola Rennt, but haven't seen Das Experiment. I'll have to check that one out. Thanks for the heads-up, BB.

OTB

Brother None · Post by **Brother None** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 10:07 pm

atoga wrote:What's not to understand about Mulholland Drive? It's fairly straightforward after you watch it a few times, and then it can really be appreciated. It's not like a lot of other movies that "LOL ARE CONFUSING SO THEY MUST BE GUD?" If you still can't get it, go to a local bookstore and pick up any good film studies book, I'm sure you'll find a full explanation there.

That wasn't my problem. I got the gist of it in the first viewing (if I pay attention I can get almost any movie in one try, including Memento (which I saw only once and didn't like either), if not completely) and probably would get it completely if I watched it again...But it's still artsie-fartsie...Do you really want me to elaborate?

Megatron · Post by **Megatron** » Thu Sep 11, 2003 12:26 am

Just because it's artsie-fartsie doesn't mean it's bad though. In fact I don't mind artsie-fartsie films, though I'd probably enjoy them more while taking drugs. I think, like anime, the fans are the worst. From people trying to get meaning about the film length to people saying x is better than y cd? u no?

The Gaijin · Post by **The Gaijin** » Thu Sep 11, 2003 3:18 am

Kharn-Yojimbo is another Kurosawa flick...seriously, just about every great samurai movie with Toshiro Mifune is done by Kurosawa. Shame he died. I don't understand people who don't like subtitles--I could understand if the dubbing had any sort of quality whatsoever, but it always sucks.

Brother None · Post by **Brother None** » Thu Sep 11, 2003 11:07 am

The Gaijin wrote:Kharn-Yojimbo is another Kurosawa flick...seriously, just about every great samurai movie with Toshiro Mifune is done by Kurosawa.

*tilts head*

I have no idea why you think I wasn't aware of this.

I still gotta see Hidden Fortress. Didn't like Rashomon as much as I liked Seven Samurai and the Bodyguard, by the way.

Jawz II · Post by **Jawz II** » Thu Sep 11, 2003 7:12 pm

u liked body guard? are we talking about the kevin costner movie?
plz tell me were not talking about that one!

that one made me wanna puke

hey remember the cheesy ninja movies in the 80s?

or r u all alot younger than me and werent born then?

those movies were kewl when i was like 10

plus i had seen every single film ever made with bruce lee in it by then,awesome movies!

is rennt lola that movie about the redhaired chick who has to get like a milion Dmark caused her asshole boyfriend needed it? ive seen that one
good movie

i like natural born killers too although its a little too much
that and forrest gump,i loved that movie,i had it on tape till sum cumhole stole it or borrowed and never gave it back

ok,those r everybodys favourite movies,i just though they deserved to be mentiooned in cause someone hasnt seen them

atoga · Post by **atoga** » Thu Sep 11, 2003 8:52 pm

Kharn wrote:But it's still artsie-fartsie...Do you really want me to elaborate?

Yes I do, because I have no idea what you are implying in that context.

Brother None · Post by **Brother None** » Thu Sep 11, 2003 9:07 pm

Jawz II wrote:u liked body guard? are we talking about the kevin costner movie?

"Yojimbo; the Bodyguard", not the Kevin Costner flick

Yes I do, because I have no idea what you are implying in that context.

I get fed up when it becomes too arts pour les arts. For me, a film has to have some purpose or direction to be any kind of film and thus any kind of art.

Compare it to paintings. I love old Renaissance paintings (forgot the names of all the styles, shows you how useful school is), but I hate Modern Arts, because they (especially DadaÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¯sm) have no real purpose other than to express themselves as art.

What falls under this is movies that strive to become completely impossible to understand and are by the motive by definition cool (like Memento) or movies that concentrate completely on being artful and nuderground (like Full Frontal) or movies that combine both (like Mulholland Dr.)

Mulholland really was a light version of this, but I think you get the picture.

atoga · Post by **atoga** » Thu Sep 11, 2003 9:38 pm

Well I know what you mean, but really very rarely is something art simply for the sake of expressing itself as art, as you said. However, while Mulholland Dr. did suffer from this to a light degree, it was still a very purposeful, intelligent movie.

Being a guy who knows a lot about art, however, I'm going to have to disagree with your dissin' up of modern art. Sure, a lot of it is shit, made by talentless wanks who drop out of college, but quite a lot of it has express meaning. Of course, I'm not sure what exactly you're grouping under the category of "modern art" (post WW2-onward?). Seriously, though, you're horribly generalizing.

Jawz II · Post by **Jawz II** » Fri Sep 12, 2003 12:04 pm

u consider memento artsie and impossible to understand?

i pretty much understood the whole thing 1st time i saw it,and other forum memebers will agree with me on this,im not freakishly smart or nuthin

i think u just have to concenterate on the movies u r watching more

give memento another look,its funny as hell

OnTheBounce · Post by **OnTheBounce** » Fri Sep 12, 2003 2:01 pm

Kharn wrote:I love old Renaissance paintings...but I hate Modern Arts, because they (especially DadaÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¯sm) have no real purpose other than to express themselves as art.

Sorry Kharn, but Dadaism was anything but ars gratia artis. It was social criticism, it was ridicule of existing standards of both art and morality, and it was rejection of the the societies that carved off huge hunks of themselves to die in the trenches of WWI. Dadaism had purpose behind it that wasn't related to art in any way, shape or fashion; it just took the form of art.

OTB

PS I don't think anyone's going to get your question about the Morton Bros. Easter Egg in the FO2 forum. Probably time to give the answer.

Jeff · Post by **Jeff** » Fri Sep 12, 2003 3:13 pm

Jawz II wrote:u consider memento artsie and impossible to understand?

i pretty much understood the whole thing 1st time i saw it,and other forum memebers will agree with me on this,

Agreed
It wasn't very complicated, the story progressed backwards and that's about it? What's there not to understand?

im not freakishly smart or nuthin

Agreed

Brother None · Post by **Brother None** » Sat Sep 13, 2003 8:40 pm

atoga wrote:Being a guy who knows a lot about art, however, I'm going to have to disagree with your dissin' up of modern art. Sure, a lot of it is shit, made by talentless wanks who drop out of college, but quite a lot of it has express meaning. Of course, I'm not sure what exactly you're grouping under the category of "modern art" (post WW2-onward?). Seriously, though, you're horribly generalizing.

I was in a hurry and didn't have time to word it better.

Post-modernism is not all arts pour les arts bullshit. 'course not, but I believe this concept didn't surface until modern arts surfaced (not necessarily post-WWII arts) and the concept of-and-in-itself is pretty stupid. Parts of post-modern arts falls under this, and parts don't, just like parts of the non-mainstream films fall under this, and parts do.

Jawz II wrote:i pretty much understood the whole thing 1st time i saw it,and other forum memebers will agree with me on this,im not freakishly smart or nuthin

I understood Memento back-to-front first time I saw it. It's not that difficult, it just takes good short-term memory (my long-term memory is crap, my short-term is sharp).

Read what I said; I said movies that STRIVE to become impossible understand. They don't have to succeed (like lots of Lynch movies do), they just have to strive, like Memento does. Like Matrix 2 does, though that's not artsie-fartsie. It's far too stupid.

OnTheBounce wrote:Sorry Kharn, but Dadaism was anything but ars gratia artis. It was social criticism, it was ridicule of existing standards of both art and morality, and it was rejection of the the societies that carved off huge hunks of themselves to die in the trenches of WWI. Dadaism had purpose behind it that wasn't related to art in any way, shape or fashion; it just took the form of art.

I knew someone would elect to disagree with me on this.

My knowledge on Dadaism is pretty good, since it is a very Dutch-based form of art, and the point you make is valid, but not completely true. Dadaism's PURPOSE was to be anti-art, this is true. However, there's a large group of people, me included, who believe it failed in this purpose by or with becoming a widely respected form of art. Why was it a widely respected form of art? Because people said so, and that's exactly why it's the ultimate arts pour les arts.

It's a form of art because people agreed upon it being a form of art. How more "arts gratia artis" (if you wanna put it like that) CAN you get?

OnTheBounce wrote:PS I don't think anyone's going to get your question about the Morton Bros. Easter Egg in the FO2 forum. Probably time to give the answer.

I can't, I forgot.