Fallout 3: Your thoughts

[Wolfman Walt]

.....There are less weapons in Fallout 3 than Fallout 2.... Fallout 3 has a total of (about) 53 weapons, including named weapons which are just MAGICALLY more damaging variations of other weapons. Fallout 2 has about 98 weapons in total.

total bullshit flaws

Such as? I mean, if you're gonna have a point, you might as well make it, otherwise that pedestal is kinda wasted.

Fuck its 100 times more true to fallout 1 and 2 than tactics ever was.

A hundred times zero is still zero.

[Stainless]

I still disagree with your respawning junkies also.

Than you have not played fallout 2 enough eather.

Fallout comunity has for a long time bashed this game without even knowing how it is. And now when its released most of those rabid fans are grasping after total bullshit flaws just so it would turn out they where right. Most often they point out flaws that where much worse in fallout 1 and 2. Everything you did in fallout 2 did not change everyones reactions towards you.

What was it in fallout 2, you get raped in the ass by supermutant and than chinese dudes in san fran moch you for it. Most npcs had oneliner dialogs and game was not so big at all. You had like 30 random encounter maps and 18 locations to visit plus 10 special encounter maps. The game was 10 times more buged than fallout 3. I remember buying fallout 2 halfpriced the day it was released and salesman said its cause its to buged, they could not charge it full price.

There is not much less weapons in fallout 3 than there was in fallout 1 or 2. You just dont get them all at once. Some come with special encounters, like alien blaster, some are made by combining weapons and junk you looted.

And bullshit about the game not being true to original. Fuck its 100 times more true to fallout 1 and 2 than tactics ever was. And than again its the same bull these same fanboys where pulling abuot fallout 2 when it was released. It sucked compared to fallout 1 for them.

toot toot, all aboard the clue train.

1. I haven't really bashed Fallout 3. I've assessed it on it's own merits, and pretty much ignored comparing it to previous Fallouts. In fact I stick it in the exact same category as Fallout Tactics. It's an ok game, but its not really that amazing of a Fallout game. The game, as far as I feel lacks character and style. It just feels less of the sum of its parts.

2. Grasping at flaws? Shitty dialogue, poor voice acting and dumbed down game mechanics. Wee, yes. I'm pushing a grudge against obscure faults in a game that is clearly perfect (omg 100/100 on GSA). How dare I hold an opinion of a game that isn't market industry identical. Christ, as soon as Bethsoft got their mitts on the license I said they'd fuck the dialogue up because they can't do it for shit. And who didn't see those minigames coming?

But please, don't dismiss it as fanboism, several friends who enjoyed Fallout and loved Oblivion also aren't fans of Fallout 3, they find it dull and boring and too lite of an rpg and too lite of an fps to be of any appeal.

3. The game is dull, lacks depth and isn't anywhere near the 2nd coming as it's hailed to be by some. It's just another mediocre game in a mediocre industry dominated by marketing cunts.

[Haris]

toot toot, all aboard the clue train.

1. I haven't really bashed Fallout 3. I've assessed it on it's own merits, and pretty much ignored comparing it to previous Fallouts. In fact I stick it in the exact same category as Fallout Tactics. It's an ok game, but its not really that amazing of a Fallout game. The game, as far as I feel lacks character and style. It just feels less of the sum of its parts.

Grasping at flaws? Shitty dialogue, poor voice acting and dumbed down game mechanics. Wee, yes. I'm pushing a grudge against obscure faults in a game that is clearly perfect (omg 100/100 on GSA). How dare I hold an opinion of a game that isn't market industry identical. Christ, as soon as Bethsoft got their mitts on the license I said they'd fuck the dialogue up because they can't do it for shit. And who didn't see those minigames coming?

But please, don't dismiss it as fanboism, several friends who enjoyed Fallout and loved Oblivion also aren't fans of Fallout 3, they find it dull and boring and too lite of an rpg and too lite of an fps to be of any appeal.

The game is dull, lacks depth and isn't anywhere near the 2nd coming as it's hailed to be by some. It's just another mediocre game in a mediocre industry dominated by marketing cunts.

Games i really hated where Oblivion and Morrowind. Hell i was not that much impressed with daggerfall eather but i could play it for longer than 15 minutes before getting bored of it. And when several of my friends asked me if i was excited about Fallout 3 coming out i said it will probably suck like Oblivion did.

And now that its out it doesnt suck, its not boring and i played it for about 30 hours in total since it was released. Thats about 5 times more than i put in all bethesda games toghether. And i can at least admit that i was wrong. Something that this fanbase has a hard time doing aperently.

[Stainless]

How was I wrong? The game has pretty environments, VATS works "ok", but the game mechanics are dumbed down, the writing is woeful and the game uses the same voice actors from their last shitty product. I never declared the game as anything else, so really. How am I wrong? Are you telling me that the voice acting is superb, the writing worthy of a novelle awards and has a well thought out mechanics system?

Its like the bugs people experience. I haven't had a single one, so it hasn't bothered me at all. But the multitude of bug problems occuring to so many people is horrible. Any developer that didn't have their dicks firmly up the arse of the media would get royally slammed over shit like this.

[Haris]

How was I wrong? The game has pretty environments, VATS works "ok", but the game mechanics are dumbed down, the writing is woeful and the game uses the same voice actors from their last shitty product. I never declared the game as anything else, so really. How am I wrong? Are you telling me that the voice acting is superb, the writing worthy of a novelle awards and has a well thought out mechanics system?

Dialogs and writing is alot better than Oblilvion. Bah i dont even care. All i know is that last time i had this much fun with a game was when i played fallout 1 and 2. Enough said.

[Stainless]

of course it is. My dog has a better understanding of the English language then Oblivion did. But it's on the same level of "its more Fallout then Fallout Tactics was"; ie: I SHOULD FUCKING HOPE SO.

[MadBill]

It is also a little bit more Fallout than Bioshock.
Also, I think it is considerably more Fallout than Madden 95, but not having played much Madden 95 I am not absolutely sure about that statement.

Another thing I miss is being able to use things on other things. The interface in Fallout 3 feels so... lacking. So... inhibited. Gosh, it feels directed like most modern FPS, like I have no real options other than run and gun.

[Haris]

Just finished the game twice. One where i helped enclave rid the earth of all mutants and one where i screw over enclave and help brotherhood bring clean water to entire capital wasteland. In both cases thoe i was an evil character that was in to slavery and killing people rather than helping them. So now i have to play a good char to se more different endings.

[Stainless]

Another thing I miss is being able to use things on other things. The interface in Fallout 3 feels so... lacking. So... inhibited. Gosh, it feels directed like most modern FPS, like I have no real options other than run and gun.

I noticed that too, although more to the extent that little things like repairing generators so the lights come on, etc. They give you this ruined wasteland to run around and stuff in yet don't want to take the bubble wrap off the couch. So to speak. Stuff like forcing open a stuck door with strength, or resorting to a crowbar. For something that is so environmentally advertised, your interactions with it are extremely limited to stealing coffee cups and rare situational pop-up boxes. In that essence, it reminds me alot of Mass Effect.

[Jimmyjay86]

Dialogs and writing is alot better than Oblilvion. Bah i dont even care. All i know is that last time i had this much fun with a game was when i played fallout 1 and 2. Enough said.

Maybe so but it is still on par with that kid in English 101 who failed the class because the prof couldn't understand what the hell he was writing about.

Scripting a mutli-layered conversation tree takes time and talent. Unfortunately the talent was lacking as far as I can see in Megaton. The conversation trees are too scrambled.

[Doc Hill]

I will agree the dialogue trees do not live up to Fallout. However there is one caveat...the terminals. virtually every building tunnel or sewr in the game has at least one functioning terminal, and the tidbits found within are usually quite amusing and in some cases downright interesting.

On the topic of the weapons, some of them are simply higher damage variations..but not all.

the Victory Rifle knocks down enemies witha crit. There's a special chinese pistol that sets people on fire (there's a terminal near it about r&d that actaully explains it's origin and how it supposedly works) A missle launcher that arcs the missle...again, a terminal explains why. And the MIRV....uhm...we don't like the fatmen, adn one tha fires 6 nukes at once is insane, but...well it doesn't just magically do more damage...I guess?

The Medic Power Armor is a hoot, because of the onboard computer the yells at you like a caffinated drill seargent too.

the game lacks some polish, which annoys me, but there are several nooks and crannies taht recieved loving attention...just....not the main quest.

[Wolfman Walt]

Like I said, basically magic weapons.

[Myron]

As far as i can see, everyone here has a point about their comments but it seems that many of you just can't agree with the other's opinions. Im not the one that is going to settle things straight but the true is that every point is different when viewed from different prespectives and mine one is from a guy that played Fo1 and Fo2 countless times. The game is quite good and it's giving me a very good time playing it (like S.T.A.L.K.E.R only a little better) but its not worthy of being named Fo3 to me... Where is the isometric view, where the hell is my car!!!, where are the casinos the bitches, mobs, lots of guns, ammo types like JHP AP FMJ, civilised and good looking cities like Vault City, NCR, San Francisco and a lot more. As i said the game is nice but its not Fo3 to me. I even killed a guy that had a minigun with a 10mm pistol a leather armor and one stimpak, the guy dumped almost every ammunition he had on me and it didn't killed me while in the previous fallouts a single minigun burst coulded shred to pieces four guys (if you manage to get them aligned and if they use leather armor or weaker).

By the way... has anyone already noticed the name they gave to the book that improves your demolitions skill?... DUCK AND COVER!!!

[Wolfman Walt]

the guy dumped almost every ammunition he had on me

NPCs have unlimited ammo in this game from my experience.

[Nicolai]

I was talking about you respawing when you die Totally kills it for me.

Que? You don't respawn when you die, the game loads your last save. The game autosaves whenever you fast travel, enter a new area/building or sleep, but you can turn that off in Options if you don't like it, I guess.

[cazsim83]

By the way... has anyone already noticed the name they gave to the book that improves your demolitions skill?... DUCK AND COVER!!!

Yeah, but I thought it might be a connection and figured Bethesda really doesn't give a shit about us. If Stainless or Smiley cares to ask on the Bethesda forums whether it's a nod to us or not, that'd be cool - otherwise, I don't really care.

Sorry, I'm in a shitty mood - glad you're excited though, sorry to be a wet blanket.

[SenisterDenister]

I'm playing the good guy for my first run though.



Oh, yeah.

[Mechanurgist]

Nice terrorist beard.

[Stainless]

By the way... has anyone already noticed the name they gave to the book that improves your demolitions skill?... DUCK AND COVER!!!

Yeah, but I thought it might be a connection and figured Bethesda really doesn't give a shit about us. If Stainless or Smiley cares to ask on the Bethesda forums whether it's a nod to us or not, that'd be cool - otherwise, I don't really care.

I doubt they'd talk to me after I called one of their devs a half wit retard.

[Kashluk]

the guy dumped almost every ammunition he had on me

NPCs have unlimited ammo in this game from my experience.

Same goes for STALKER. God I hate that! The firefight can go on for hours, but whether you kill the guy in 5 minutes or 2 hours, he'll still be carrying those 19 rnds of ammunition.