Overrated Movies

Subhuman · Post by **Subhuman** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 6:09 am

Aonaran wrote:That was one of my defining movie going experiences was being a high school kid and watching all the buildings come down in the end of Fight Club.

Most high school kids like Fight Club. Then they grow up and watch better movies.

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 9:28 am

The book is much better then the movie.

Naked_Lunch · Post by **Naked_Lunch** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 3:08 pm

The Lord of the Rings

Aonaran · Post by **Aonaran** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 3:19 pm

Ho ho, agreed. I fucking hated LOTR with great passion. Was kind of hoping for more venom but I agree wtih most of these. Too many teary eyed close ups and overwrought sentimentality. Also It is going to be great in 10 (more than likely less) years when everyone looks back at the CG and sees how outdated it looks (which would be alright if 90% of the movie didn't consist of CG saturated scenes). It'll be like watching Jason and the Argonauts.

Aonaran · Post by **Aonaran** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 3:24 pm

Subhuman wrote:Most high school kids like Fight Club. Then they grow up and watch better movies.

I kinda think that was the demographic though, so making a sucessful movie for the high school / college age person constitutes failure? I've matured as have my tastes but that doesn't mean I don't still enjoy the film.

Wolfman Walt wrote:The book is much better then the movie.

A friend of mine who had seen the movie first said he couldn't enjoy the book because it so closely resembled the movie he coudln't get anything new from it. To counter this how would you say they are different?

Megatron · Post by **Megatron** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 3:30 pm

the book has more homosexual references

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 3:57 pm

You hit the nail with that one. COFFIN CLOSED.

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 10:42 pm

Homosexual tendancies exhibited by Palahniuk aside, the book has some much different chapters and is fairly different from the movie right away. Your friend obviousily can't read. Also, the ending is better in my opinion.

atoga · Post by **atoga** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:18 pm

Stupid college-boy bullshit. Chuck is even more nauseating than Zach Braff.

johnnygothisgun · Post by **johnnygothisgun** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:49 am

Donnie Darko and Scarface.

atoga · Post by **atoga** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:11 pm

Nonsense, Scarface is perfectly good fun. What's not to like?

Aonaran · Post by **Aonaran** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:33 pm

Scarface is decent at best, that is if you are referring to the more recent Scarface and not the one directed by Howard Hawks (which i'm assuming to be the case). The whole end of the movie dates it, and not in a good way. Up until then it does a good job of representing the times but as soon as they guy in the absurd sunglasses enters the scene with his own synthesized soundtrack it all goes to shit. The movie has it's moments I guess but it didn't really impress me. Normally I like to give a more detailed explanation of why I don't like a movie but that would require a second viewing, and this movie didn't impact me enough one way or the other to merit one.

Megatron · Post by **Megatron** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:11 pm

Most overrated movies are good movies, but they aren't OH FUCKING GREAT I NEED TO ROLL THIS DVD UP AND SHOVE IT IN MY ASS HELL YEAH!

Like why would anyone buy a painting of al pacino firing a rifle or get a tattoo of it or put it on their car or all the other dumb shit. And most of the movie wasn't even that good, goodfellas is better.

oh yeah godfather is overrated.

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:12 pm

Yup. They're all good movies, great even. Megatron wraps it up nicely - they're not bigger than life.

Cimmerian Nights · Post by **Cimmerian Nights** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:57 pm

Pulp Fiction.

PiP · Post by **PiP** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 9:18 pm

this discussion more or less started with T. Gilliam. Contrary to what some people wrote, I loved "Brazil" and "12 monkeys" - they are among the rare cases when sci-fi films aren't idiotic. I mean, being sorta fond of sci-fi setting, I just can't stand even posters of crap like Armageddon, the independence day, starship troopers, stargate, and the like. Utter junk.
Terry's artisitc visions are extraordinary in the cinema world and appealing to me.
Also, I liked Pulp Fiction a lot.
Most overrated movies? First we should decide which 'rating' we take into account.

Aonaran · Post by **Aonaran** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 10:02 pm

Kashluk wrote:Yup. They're all good movies, great even. Megatron wraps it up nicely - they're not bigger than life.

No I actually think Pi and Darko are trash. And Butterfly Effect clearly is trash but I don't guess that even needs to be stated. Also Pulp Fiction might be overhyped but it most certainly isn't overrated. Personally I think it is a great and very original film.

PiP wrote:they are among the rare cases when sci-fi films aren't idiotic.

Agreed, however far from the only cases. Some other exceptions that come to mind immediately are Ridely Scott's sci-fi films (if only he had stuck with them). I think all genre's have films to offer that can be challenging or thought provoking. I think movies that achieve this outside of the accepted genres are infinitely more interesting. My personl favorite is the Western, also surprisingly the zombie movie has a number of "good" films (thanks mostly to Romero).

My favorite westerns are McCabe and Mrs. Miller, Unforgiven, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, The Good the Bad and the Ugly, Once Upon a Time in the West, High Plains Drifter, Dead Man and The Wild Bunch. All great movies in their own right but from a genre marred with stereotypes and preconceptions. I think this gives a good writer alot to play with, as well as the added bonus that you almost certainly won't see it comming. This is especially true of the ending of Night of the Living Dead.

PiP · Post by **PiP** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 10:34 pm

never said they're the _only_ cases, of course. Lemme think.. Blade Runner, 2001: A Space Odyssey, Solaris, Alien.
Also (but a bit less) Minority Report, Total Recall, eXistenZ, Equilibrium
(even less?)Terminator, Star Wars, The Matrix (just 1st part), I Robot

unfortunatelly I haven't seen 'Metropolis'and the oryginal Solyaris

I agree on the Western movies

especially Sam Peckinpah and Unforgiven (Metallica should've made the score

)

VasikkA · Post by **VasikkA** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 10:50 pm

Cimmerian Nights wrote:Pulp Fiction.

That is true. I saw Pulp Fiction on television a while ago and didn't remember it was that crap. Especially the ending is unsatisfactory. I think that applies to most Tarantino movies, if you watch them more than once. The pace is simply too slow.

Another overrated movie is Apocalypse now. It doesn't even go to my top 20 war movies. The redux version is just pure agony to watch.

PiP wrote:The Matrix

It's overrated if you listen to sci-fi fans. I don't think normal people took that movie seriously. I myself thought it was plain ridiculous, although I just saw the first two parts.

I also agree with you about Alien. The sequels were much better.

PiP · Post by **PiP** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:22 pm

I guess you got me wrong. 'Conversation' with Aonaran took me to the point of discussing sci-fi films which aren't idiotic. So my last post is sort of a list of sci fi films which I liked (apart from Brazil and 12 monkeys mentioned before), not overrated in my opinion.
So I totally disagree with you on Alien series. Alien was an excellent sci-fi thriller, Aliens was a sci-fi action film, the only good element of which is... action (disappointment for me), Alien 3 ans 4 were just decent horror flicks, (the idea of super-duper badass team coming to the (station?) in Alien 4 is just hideously teenage-appealing and repetitive..)
And AvPredator is, to my great sadness, just pure crap (games were good).