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Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2002 9:01 pm
by Red
Just because something is in a game doesn't mean it belongs there. However since it's there, it not belonging there is not a valid excuse not to use it...

Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2002 3:33 am
by Tank
I agree. But what the hell all these real-life weapons were doing in the game beats me...

Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2002 5:07 pm
by Richy
Red wrote:Just because something is in a game doesn't mean it belongs there. However since it's there, it not belonging there is not a valid excuse not to use it...
half a bee, philosophically, must ipso facto half not be. but half the bee has got to be, visa ve its entity.

Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2002 6:59 pm
by Nirvana
wouldn´t be cool if the bozar had a single shot option :D
Any of you guys seen The Jackal with Bruce Wills ? the weapon he uses to assassinate some guy looks a bozar :)

Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2002 7:45 pm
by Red
"visa-vis", And the bozar wouldn't be great in single shot mode anyhow.

Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2002 7:54 pm
by VasikkA
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Bozar isn't a real weapon unlike many of fallouts weapons. I sure want to see that weapon in FO3. Maybe slightly modified so it's not too powerful.

And I hope it's not a FEVved version of LSW :wink:

Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2002 9:54 am
by James
Should I have added a ;-) with my statement "cheating"?. Rhetorical!

The bozar should be a hunting rifle equivalent in hypothetical single shot mode.

And I agree, it's not a real weapon.

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2002 1:54 am
by Kleptomaniac
Bozar all the way!
I don't consider it cheating, you can just pump up the difficulty of the game and combat, so it won't be THAT easy to kill with it. It just fits so good with the power armor, you know? :wink:

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2002 10:04 am
by Richy
thats true, but if you elect to gain the sniper perk at lv. 24, providing you have the sufficient stats, there's no stopping you. i hit a guard at navarro for 1200hp on rough......

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2002 12:35 pm
by Kleptomaniac
Bah, then don't pick the sniper perk :wink:
It ends up being your choice, your style of playing.

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2002 1:38 pm
by Richy
of course. thats one of the key factors that makes the game interesting.

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2002 4:57 pm
by VasikkA
I'm sure most of you didn't create a high luck character and choose More criticals, Better criticals and Sniper perks when you played the game for the first time. Hell, I didn't even find a bozar in my first FO2 game. Yes it is possible to create a super character without cheating but that usually happens when you're replaying the game. Same thing with low intelligence characters/unarmed or melee fighters/extremely high luck explorers with outdoorsman skill tagged. Those characters make the game more exciting when you replay it. I bet if you found bozar in your first game you didnt think your character was and uber-char. Now that we know more about the game, we can maximize the advantages of items/perks in the game.

There's nothing wrong with bozar as a weapon and I don't consider using it as cheating.

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2002 6:29 pm
by Warlord
It's not cheating. Using Bozar has it's pros and cons.


It does an exemplary amount of damage BUT it also is slow to use in combat due to 2 "shots" a reaload and it's huge ammo usage.

If you have the .233 then why not use Bozar.

First time I played through the game, I didn't think the Bozar I had was cheating. Heck, the Pulse rifle and the Gauss weapons seemed more cheating to me than Bozar..

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2002 6:52 pm
by Red
Just a note that high luck has nothing to do with random encounters... You still get bad ones with high luck and good ones with low...

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2002 5:55 am
by Warlord
Luck does matter os SE. Like, you can't get the Radiactive thingie with good luck. I've plaeyd the game many many times, but I have never got that one, but I do not play low Luck chars.

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2002 7:34 am
by Richy
VasikkA wrote:Now that we know more about the game, we can maximize the advantages of items/perks in the game.
as with every game. with every genre out there, we utilize experience to become more tactful both in the way we fight or act, and in the use of items. EVERY

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2002 7:58 am
by Slave_Master
Warlord wrote:Luck does matter os SE. Like, you can't get the Radiactive thingie with good luck. I've plaeyd the game many many times, but I have never got that one, but I do not play low Luck chars.
I did get the Pariah Dog with an 8 Luck character.

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2002 8:59 am
by Red
I've never made a char with greater luck then 4 and never got the radioactive encounter either. Nor the exploding brahmin.

I spend 2-3 hours roaming the wasteland to find the pariah dog (with 2 luck), and I kept encountering the Cafe of broken dreams, the portal and the bridge...

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2002 5:13 pm
by Rat Keeng
I remember this discussion. It appears that Luck has absolutely nothing to do with what bad encounters you get. I've gotten the Pariah dog with luck of 8, i've played through the game with 3 or less luck characters and have never gotten the radioactive waste dump. Recently, i played a 6 luck char, and whoopi, there it is, toxic waste dump, after having played the game many times for 3 years, i finally got it, with 6 luck.

So low or high luck doesn't rule any special encounters out. Whether or not it improves your chances of getting it, i do not know.

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2002 7:13 pm
by Warlord
Well, you maybe right.

I'd like to see Radiactive Dumb, but I never seem to get it nor do I get Pariah Dog....

Do you kill the bridgekeeper once you've asnwered his questions?

It gives 7500 exp. to kill him in combat...