Riots in Tottenham

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:51 am

What Tofu Man said.

VasikkA · Post by **VasikkA** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:15 am

Looks like fun.

Mismatch · Post by **Mismatch** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:58 am

Been lookin through some footage and chit in British media, and it seems to be quite bad indeed. The police (not the band) don't seem to have the tools to deal with it. They really should start shooting looters.

Megatron · Post by **Megatron** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:08 pm

POOPERSCOOPER wrote:Megatron, have or will you take part in the riots?

nah probably not. If it turns into some warriors shit I might go and get a big tv or some crap but I live out in the suburbs anyway and have no car so how am I going to carry a massive tv home, homie?

Its spread out of london apparently. I live in manchester which is on the opposite side of the world to london, but im expecting it to happen tonight. after that itll either die down or just escalate until they hae some curfew shit perhaps, who knows. dont really care much either way. the general atmosphere is 'yo whys it happenin' and everyone all like 'im poor as fuck man im mad as hell'

Stalagmite · Post by **Stalagmite** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:27 pm

Mad Max RW wrote:Funny how nobody in the news media is reporting the rioters are all black and attacking white owned businesses.

That shit wouldn't fly down here, hommie.

Mad Max RW · Post by **Mad Max RW** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:14 pm

Tofu Man wrote: Besides, why would the robber's skin colour be newsworthy? Robber's a robber.

Tell that to the rioters.

Stalagmite wrote:That shit wouldn't fly down here, hommie.

Oh really? This is what's been going on all over the US the past week. Nobody reports it except local news. National media chooses to ignore it because the truth isn't always "politically correct."
http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/127276733.html
and
http://articles.philly.com/2011-08-08/n ... ngregation

I'm sure similar shit will spread to your neck of the woods very soon.

rad resistance · Post by **rad resistance** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:33 pm

In reality the reason why Britian is suffering with race riots or had problems before in the past is because of America influence. Durring WW2 as America servicemen were sationed in England the white G.I. was outraged seeing black men dancing with white women. The High command of U.S. forces encouraged the use of seperate but equal and the British seemed to have got hooked onto the idea of keeping blacks away from the whites.

Another reason could be "were poor and fukk all ya mofukkas ims gettings me a tv and some trainers, peace."

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:04 pm

Now the news are saying that this feller, who was shot by the police, didn't fire any shots himself. Go figure.

And I'm starting to feel a bit awkward about Mad Max RW's gesturing. Anyways, telling from the pictures on the interweb, the rioting crowd seems pretty diverse. Not like the 'all black power rape party' that's being suggested...

http://www.pravasitoday.com/wp-content/ ... -riots.jpg
http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2011/ ... _riots.jpg

Psychoul · Post by **Psychoul** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:17 pm

So i really do not understand why people would ruin their lives by rioting and looting because they are supposedly poor. Are they poor? that is my question. Do they seriously not have enough money to get food and rent?

It seems like the cause of the riots always points to poverty or being "pushed around" by the police. I loled, i dont live in Britain so i would not know.

but seriously.. Is them being poor/ not having enough money to get 3 flat screens rather than 1 really the cause of the riots?

St. Toxic · Post by **St. Toxic** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:22 pm

Rioting: The New Get-Rich-Quick scheme.

rad resistance · Post by **rad resistance** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:05 pm

My dad was sent to Detriot in 67 with his unit the 101st Airborne to halt the riots.

True story mang.

Mad Max RW · Post by **Mad Max RW** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:32 pm

The London riots started as racially motivated. This is a proven fact. In the last day or two it has escalated into something much larger. Anybody that's pissed off about anything is taking to the streets to burn things. They're trying to overthrow the British government. It will more than likely fail because they don't have a clear movement to get behind like the recent Arab spring.

Post by **Retlaw83** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:36 pm

I don't know how much race has to do with anything, but the guy I saw throwing a firebomb then getting savagely beaten by police on TV was white.

rad resistance · Post by **rad resistance** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 11:12 pm

Mad Max RW wrote:The London riots started as racially motivated. This is a proven fact. In the last day or two it has escalated into something much larger. Anybody that's pissed off about anything is taking to the streets to burn things. They're trying to overthrow the British government. It will more than likely fail because they don't have a clear movement to get behind like the recent Arab spring.

Megatron · Post by **Megatron** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 12:11 am

I went to town tonight after all. Didn't do any looting but I was pretty close to it all. It was a pretty good atmosphere really, everyone was friendly enough and handing out any food or drink they couldn't carry. Barely saw any policemen except towards the end when I got chased by dogs

Mad Max RW · Post by **Mad Max RW** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:09 am

Haha, this made me laugh. People are trying to clean up the mess left by rioters but they are being blocked because of safety regulations. Apparently they aren't allowed to clean up broken glass because there's broken glass laying around. Their words, not mine.

Redeye · Post by **Redeye** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:42 am

I want to see time indexes (verified somehow) on the various photos of rioting.

If images are being cherry-picked by various media (of course they have to select from a larger pool), the picking has to be analyzed in an honorable, scholarly way- not to serve tribal interests.

Kind of hard when the news culture is heavily tabloid oriented and polarized.

Tofu Man · Post by **Tofu Man** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:00 am

Mad Max RW wrote:Tell that to the rioters.

Mad Max RW wrote:The London riots started as racially motivated. This is a proven fact. In the last day or two it has escalated into something much larger. Anybody that's pissed off about anything is taking to the streets to burn things.

So what you'd defend is a news headline the likes of "Pakystanis riot in Tottenham. Black youths take advantage of the melee to loot & pillage." ?
And even if that was "proven fact" as you claim (and you'll forgive me if I take such claims with a grain of salt, at least at this point) that headlines like that would be reasonable? Or smart?
Although I'll admit not being clear on yours, my point was/is simple. From the part of the media, the absolute worst possible thing they could to try and stop proceedings at this point would be to start racially profiling things that don't need racial profiling, and that such an attitude could be used as an excuse for someone with an agenda and not the best of intentions to escalate the mess. I don't think the public should care about the skin colour of a guy in a hoody that's destroying property/looting/being a little shit. Even if they do, heck, even if they're the most racist cunts in the world, don't underestimate the brits' drive to keep up appearances. Especially when they know they're being watched.

Mad Max RW wrote:They're trying to overthrow the British government.

Come, now, seriously? You think that that's the explanation rather than, say, a bunch of unemployed/highschool, poorly educated, lower class chavs who think they're underprivileged and that the world isn't fair to them who're taking advantage of a demonstration/riot to break shit up because god knows being a cunt is amusing?
And equating this to what's happening in north africa (instead of, for instance, what happened in France in '05)? Really?

Stalagmite · Post by **Stalagmite** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:56 am

Mad Max RW wrote:I'm sure similar shit will spread to your neck of the woods very soon.

Doubt it. We're like bog crickets ready to strike at minorities at any given moment. It'll be longer than "very soon" before the "other side" gets the initiative to riot.

Too bad I was in Brisbane at the time. Fucking Lebs.

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:01 am

Just watching Finnish morning TV and they're discussing to great lengths the situation in Britain. They've mentioned racial/ethnic issues several times, but the main point seems to be social exclusion or alienation of certain socioeconomic groups. For example: a large portion (if not a majority) of rioters are black, but less than 10 % of the police force is black. It seems that the police does not have the trust nor a connection to the people they're serving. And many of the rioters are 'having issues' in the third generation: unemployment, poverty (in European terms, not 'real' poverty) and such.

Blah blah blah. Again: what Tofu Man said.