Happy Trails to you MCA!

swordinstone · Post by **swordinstone** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 2:16 pm

Exitium wrote:Well I wouldn't call most of the people at BIS "rats", though BIS is a sinking ship. There are some rats, though. Namely you know who.

If your refering to chucky, I dont believe his is part of BIS.

I gotta say, I was very impressed with BIS a couple years ago, and would have bought any game produced by them, but they seemed to have slipped some what in recent years, probably when those guys left to form Trokia now that I think of it.

VasikkA · Post by **VasikkA** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 2:31 pm

swordinstone wrote:I gotta say, I was very impressed with BIS a couple years ago, and would have bought any game produced by them, but they seemed to have slipped some what in recent years, probably when those guys left to form Trokia now that I think of it.

Troika's departure definitely hurt the company, but there were still some talented people left. Now that they're gone, I don't believe BIS will ever rise again. Lionheart might well be the last game they produce. At least I hope so.

I think there's a strong connection between the departure of Feargus Urquhart, MCA and the van Buren project. Perhaps there's some sort of mutiny within the BIS ship. I'd like to know more.

peasofme · Post by **peasofme** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 3:29 pm

too bad bis is the only company making good games left. dungeon siege anyone? how bout that unpatched buggy game arcanum...

axelgreese · Post by **axelgreese** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 3:32 pm

peasofme wrote:too bad bis is the only company making good games left. dungeon siege anyone? how bout that unpatched buggy game arcanum...

Yeah, Troika is just a play production company, most certainly not a games company

MetalWyrm · Post by **MetalWyrm** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 8:50 pm

peasofme wrote:too bad bis is the only company making good games left. dungeon siege anyone? how bout that unpatched buggy game arcanum...

[begin sarcasm]
yes, Arcanum was really crappy because it was made by Troika, which consists of Tim Cain and a quite a few other people who created Fallout
[end sarcasm]

and as for DS, it was made by microsoft, which is not even in this little area of events

anyways, I hope some good can come outta this, like interplay giving up their fallout license

call me a fool for still expecting it, but I'm still hoping for the next fallout
especially since BIS is now falling to shit, it might be interesting to see if iply whores the fallout license anymore

swordinstone · Post by **swordinstone** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 8:53 pm

question is, if they do give it up, who will get it? Will they spite the fans by giving it to someone like EA? Or will Trokia be able to step in a snatch it before some giant corporate publisher gets their non-deserving hands on it?

Araanor · Post by **Araanor** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 9:44 pm

MetalWyrm wrote:and as for DS, it was made by microsoft, which is not even in this little area of events

No. Gas Powered Games.

Vergilius · Post by **Vergilius** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 10:14 pm

Good Luck Chris.

Spazmo · Post by **Spazmo** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 10:36 pm

Although, interestingly enough, Dungeon Siege was made by an entirely different Chris.

Saint_Proverbius · Post by **Saint_Proverbius** » Sat Jun 14, 2003 1:24 am

peasofme wrote:too bad bis is the only company making good games left. dungeon siege anyone? how bout that unpatched buggy game arcanum...

How about that Fallout 2? It's kind of silly to praise BIS for making good games, then ragging on Troika for Arcanum due to bugs, when Fallout 2 was released in the fashion it was released in, given that one patch which didn't come close to fixing everything, and then dropped.

What's even worse is that Fallout 2 was an internal project, and Arcanum was a contracted one. With Arcanum, Sierra allocates the funding for a patch, Troika makes it based on the funding they get per the contract. Sierra decides and pays, Troika does. That's the way those situations work. Now, with Fallout 2, BIS decides and does. The whole thing is in their ballpark. They decided not to and didn't.

Furthermore, as far as bugs go, Icewind Dale 2 went months over how long it was supposed to take, had two months from gold time to release, and still managed to ship with a lot of nice bugs. Don't believe it? Check the changelog.

ApTyp · Post by **ApTyp** » Sat Jun 14, 2003 2:25 am

Nah, the license will probably stay with Interplay. It will be bought by some major company, undergo a big restructuring, BIS will be making strictly console AD&D titles unless RPG fashion will go under again, and no one will be making Fallout because quality RPGs are too expensive and all Fallout spin-offs didn't sell very well. EA is still sitting on Wasteland license, I think. Who owns the rights to Wasteland anyway?

S4ur0n27 · Post by **S4ur0n27** » Sat Jun 14, 2003 3:26 am

I don't care for all those talented guys leaving BIS, but if they could leave together and work together. Now they all want to lead new projects. They all want to make THE rpg. They can't be together again. They are getting too big.

Red · Post by **Red** » Sat Jun 14, 2003 3:50 am

So well, who's left there we know from older days?

Spazmo · Post by **Spazmo** » Sat Jun 14, 2003 4:37 am

Nobody, really. I bet if you compare the FO2 credits to the current BIS/IPLY employee roster, you'll hardly find any matches outside of QA or sound or whatnot.

Ausir · Post by **Ausir** » Sat Jun 14, 2003 8:34 am

Maybe InXile will buy Wasteland license, as they did with Bard's Tale?

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Sat Jun 14, 2003 9:22 am

At this point I'm not even sure Troika will want to buy the Fallout license...

Sure, Tim Cain said he had ideas and such, but if they do buy the license they will have enormus pressure from the fans.

People will see Troika with the license, and excpect the best game they ever played, Troika might try and avoid this kind of situation.

VasikkA · Post by **VasikkA** » Sat Jun 14, 2003 12:29 pm

Dan wrote:At this point I'm not even sure Troika will want to buy the Fallout license...

Sure, Tim Cain said he had ideas and such, but if they do buy the license they will have enormus pressure from the fans.

People will see Troika with the license, and excpect the best game they ever played, Troika might try and avoid this kind of situation.

Well, maybe someone like Sierra or Activision could buy the license and offer it to Troika to make a game out of it. This is pure speculation of course, but I don't see why it wouldn't be a good buy.

Anyone who makes a Fallout 3 will have enormous pressure from the fans, even if it's not Troika. I think you can read through the lines that Mr. Cain still has some interest in Fallout, at least from the interviews I've read. Real men want challenges.

Spazmo · Post by **Spazmo** » Sat Jun 14, 2003 1:06 pm

Tim Cain has said in the past that he and Troika have tried to buy the Fallout liscence and failed.

Whether they want to make games with it or simply protect it from Chucky is unknown.

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Sat Jun 14, 2003 1:17 pm

VasikkA wrote:Anyone who makes a Fallout 3 will have enormous pressure from the fans, even if it's not Troika. I think you can read through the lines that Mr. Cain still has some interest in Fallout, at least from the interviews I've read. Real men want challenges.

You don't need to read through the lines, he said he has ideas for Fallout 3 but can't get the license, and I would very like to see the license go to Troika, but I doubt we'll ever see it happen...

peasofme · Post by **peasofme** » Sat Jun 14, 2003 5:19 pm

i never had any problems with bugs in fo2 after the patch. arcanum had many glaring gamebreaking bugs even after the patches. sierra is a horrible company and are in part to blame. but unofficial patches come out for games, see baldurs gate 2. if troika really cared about arcanum they wouldve fixed the bugs. iwd2 is a pos, so noone cares about that.

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