The Fall/Fallout 3 Progress Newsletter

Jimmyjay86 · Post by **Jimmyjay86** » Tue Dec 16, 2003 2:59 pm

Spazmo is dead on here.

Also think of how much Interplay would sell the Fallout license for. Are they going to give it away? Ha, right. I have no clue what licenses like that go for, $100k, $500k??? Does that sound reasonable? Whatever, that is money that won't be used to hire a few extra people or spend more time making a good game. And will the license guarantee more sales or help with distribution? No, a good game that is distributed worlwide will sell regardless if it has a "brand name" associated with it. Word of mouth, advertising and good reviews help in this industry.

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Tue Dec 16, 2003 5:41 pm

Forgive me, JJ, but saying that a brand name has nothing to do with the sales is pretty ignorant. Just look at those crappy LOTR-games, they've ran out of them weeks ago! Or everything involving Star Wars, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Might & Magic.... the list is endless.

Jimmyjay86 · Post by **Jimmyjay86** » Tue Dec 16, 2003 5:53 pm

Yes but in Fallout's case the brand name doesn't really account for much. It might mean something in the niche RPG market but a FPS gamer or RTS gamer would just as easily pass it by on the store shelf.

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Tue Dec 16, 2003 6:12 pm

Well... that is correct.

atoga · Post by **atoga** » Tue Dec 16, 2003 9:48 pm

Hell of a geography lesson there, Spazmo. I learned plenty. Anyway, it's pretty obvious that from the looks of things we'd get a crappy Biowared non-Fallouty game if things went over to Silver Style.

EvoG wrote:why do you think I came to DaC?

To whore the nonexistent Project Phoenix, maybe?

I'm being serious.

EvoG · Post by **EvoG** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 12:02 am

atoga wrote:
EvoG wrote:why do you think I came to DaC?
To whore the nonexistent Project Phoenix, maybe?

I'm being serious.

Well, yes lets change the topic again to me :roll:

Anyway, yea makes a lot of sense that I'd "whore" something that doesn't exist. Hmmm, lets see, then what would I be whoring exactly then? And for what...for the fun of it? Kgotcha.

Cheers

swordinstone · Post by **swordinstone** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 12:37 am

yes, thats it... project phoenix, from its initial conception, was really just an elaborate conspiracy to rally the hopes of Fallout fans worldwide... THEN SMASH AND BURN THEM!

Consequently, this should start a chain reaction of paranoia and hate that will forever change the way developers view the post-apoc fan base. :badgrin:

Franz Schubert · Post by **Franz Schubert** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 3:51 am

But then he wouldn't be able to continue working on phoenix!

Jeff · Post by **Jeff** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:23 am

EvoG wrote:Anyway, yea makes a lot of sense that I'd "whore" something that doesn't exist. Hmmm, lets see, then what would I be whoring exactly then?

attention
(this reply does not neccessarily represent my official opinion)

EvoG · Post by **EvoG** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 11:12 am

Attention? What attention do I really get now? I'm not a very active member of DaC...nothing I do in my personal life is affected by the attentions of invisible people that live on a forum...my professional career isn't influenced nor enhanced by any sort of minor exposure talking on this site gives. If in fact I wanted attention, wouldn't I be more vocal all around 'fandom'? Why stop at DaC? What about the other fan sites, especially NMA?

I understand that wasn't your official opinion, but it was an interesting answer.

Arguably though, if any of you truly felt Phoenix did not exist, I don't think you'd be bugging me about the screenshots as much as you do.

Cheers

S4ur0n27 · Post by **S4ur0n27** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 3:04 pm

If you aren't active wtf are you doing here?

Anyway, we want screenshots please!!

EvoG · Post by **EvoG** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 3:34 pm

Very well, I should've said "AS" active...but the intent was that its not like I'm one of the uber posters is the thousands in post count, and that is a point as to my lack of wanting or needing any attention, as I'd probably spend more time here and post a lot more for the 'look at me' factor.

Nevertheless, screens sent...CYM. :p

Cheers

atoga · Post by **atoga** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:31 pm

EvoG wrote:Anyway, yea makes a lot of sense that I'd "whore" something that doesn't exist. Hmmm, lets see, then what would I be whoring exactly then? And for what...for the fun of it? Kgotcha.

Fantastic. Seems you're delusional as well.

EvoG · Post by **EvoG** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 12:33 am

Well there you go.

Cheers

chrisbeddoes · Post by **chrisbeddoes** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 3:53 am

Well EvoG makes games.

It is just that half of the projects are never made for some reason.

I hope that he can make Phoenix .

And if it is good i will buy it.

Oh and personally i do not give a damn about phoenix art.

But i do care about the dialogue.

EvoG · Post by **EvoG** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 4:07 am

Well Chris, thats why Jose posted that brief little backstory piece...to get a taste of the quality to be expected both from character development and dialogue. We're big HUGE proponents of story and even moreso great characters which of course drive that story. For what its worth, we started awhile back with aspirations to do film rather than games, until we realised its a great avenue to do both. We found greater inspiration to be able to not only tell our stories but also interact and create an atmosphere and world that the player lives in rather than passes through.

I just also happen to be an artist, and enjoy great visuals as well, so both are equally as important to me.

As for half the projects never getting made...only answer I can give is that its A) expensive

not easy to do.

I hope you do think our games our good and that you do buy them.

Cheers

chrisbeddoes · Post by **chrisbeddoes** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 4:13 am

But the problem with rpg is that you must never never break the immersion.

So the dialogue is only as good as the worst written piece of dialogue.

A good piece of dialogue does not prove anything at all , all the dialogue has to be consistently good.

EvoG · Post by **EvoG** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 4:15 am

Um, right, well what can I say then. :shrugs:

Cheers

chrisbeddoes · Post by **chrisbeddoes** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 4:27 am

Well the fact is that people do not believe that 1 person with occasional help from others can make a good game with good graphicks.

Spiderweb is 1 person has done good games but the art well it is not up to date.

If you can make a good game with good 3d art that will be a first in the industry .

Finally i think that have an idea of the reason that you do not release a screenshot.

You care too much for the opinion of the fans .
Not only that but you want to impress the fans big time and that idea
that you will impress the fans big time is one of the reason that keeps you trying harder and harder to overcome the difficulties.

Edit Guess what ? We know that and that is why we bug you so much

/edit

EvoG · Post by **EvoG** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 4:38 am

Well, keep in mind ( and I've said this like forever ), that I'm developing the prototype with the help of others, not the full game. This is a small proof of concept-proof of technology demo that I'll will then use to acquire funding. With the business plan, planned development structure and industry contacts, coupled with a demo that investors/publishers can get their hands on, I'm very certain I'll be able to acquire the full capital needed to complete it. I'll have laid a LARGE foundation before I approach them and will then just need the money to finish it off ( mainly art assets ) which leads me to your last sentence...

...you are correct...I absolutely care about the opinions of the fans, as they are the ones that buy the game, and despite everyones claims that they don't care about graphics as much as story...they still do get impressed over beautiful art...its human nature, and keep in mind, the fans won't be the only people to set eyes upon my creation...I have an industry opinion to consider, and I'm measuring myself up against the best there is...so yea its a tall order and this has kept me rather shy about showing anything, not because it isn't good, but like you said, I'm always finding ways to make it better. This and other things of course, as I'm not ALWAYS working 100% on art for Phoenix nor, with my regular 'day job', am I able to work on Phoenix at all at times.

Cheers