Does Fallout 3 Still Have a chance??

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Thu Jul 15, 2004 11:12 am

Here's questions and answers about Fallout 3, by Bethesda's veteran developer Todd Howard. It starts promisingly...

Todd Howard wrote:GS: Was it just the Fallout brand that attracted you, or are you a fan of the series itself? Have you played either of the first two games?

TH: I've played the first two many times but only dabbled with Tactics and Brotherhood of Steel. What I really love about the first two is the overall atmosphere, tone, and role-playing. Those two games really let me choose to play a certain character--and the level of immersion was outstanding. I was that guy on the screen wandering the wastelands trying to survive and helping humanity survive. And you could play it so many times and in so many different ways. The character system and the choices you could make were fantastic.

GS: Fallout had many unique elements for an RPG, including its extensive (and iconic) perk system and darkly comic tone. Will those be present in the sequel?

TH: Oh, yes. Most definitely. "Bloody Mess" is the best perk ever, where your enemies die in ultraviolent ways.

Uh, but then it gets crappy:

Todd Howards wrote:GS: There is some concern in the PC gaming community that if Fallout 3 is developed for both the PC and consoles, it won't have the same depth as other PC RPGs. What can you say to allay this concern?

TH: Play Morrowind on PC, and then play it on Xbox. Anyone who says a console game can't have depth hasn't played enough of them. The platform is 100 percent irrelevant. (-!!!!!)

S4ur0n27 · Post by **S4ur0n27** » Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:07 pm

Just the fact that you have to adapt the controls to a console controller fucking blows. No isometric view with mouse like FO that's for sure.

Jimmyjay86 · Post by **Jimmyjay86** » Thu Jul 15, 2004 4:37 pm

If they want to develop a version of a PC game for the consoles that is ok but they should definitely take advantage of the advanced controls possible with a PC. To not have keyboard shortcuts or not taking advantage of controls via mouse is hideous. Nobody plays a PC game with a controller and I don't like to be limited to a few controls. The PC offers the greatest flexibility of any game system which is why I like it so much.

S4ur0n27 · Post by **S4ur0n27** » Thu Jul 15, 2004 8:46 pm

Also offers better AI- graphically- auditively-wise.

Franz Schubert · Post by **Franz Schubert** » Thu Jul 15, 2004 11:17 pm

s4ur0n27 wrote:Yeah, but paying 40$ for the game, then 30$ each for two expansions and still needing to download mods to enjoy the game is a fucking pain. Indicates someone didn't do his job right.

No, it indicates that someone in the company probably got a big raise. Remember, these companies aren't trying to give us a good content:price ratio... And for what it's worth, I paid $30 bucks for the GotY edition (Game + 2 exps.) at my local EB. I found it to be well worth it.

Todd Howard wrote:What I really love about the first two is the overall atmosphere, tone, and role-playing. Those two games really let me choose to play a certain character--and the level of immersion was outstanding.

I like this guy already! In fact, I don't think I could sum up why I liked Fallout better than he just did.

JimmyJay86 wrote:If they want to develop a version of a PC game for the consoles that is ok but they should definitely take advantage of the advanced controls possible with a PC.

But then they would have to do extra work... and we all know what the chances are of that happening.

S4ur0n27 · Post by **S4ur0n27** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 12:33 am

Yah, who wants to do extra work? NOBODY. Lazy ass people. This makes me mad. Old fucks aren't doing shit at my job, they play mine sweeper or spider solitaire while I work my ass off for half their salary.

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 2:01 pm

Franz_Schubert wrote:
Todd Howard wrote:What I really love about the first two is the overall atmosphere, tone, and role-playing. Those two games really let me choose to play a certain character--and the level of immersion was outstanding.
I like this guy already! In fact, I don't think I could sum up why I liked Fallout better than he just did.

Too bad he seems to forget all he said when it comes to the questions about making Fallout 3...

Jimmyjay86 · Post by **Jimmyjay86** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 10:16 pm

Eh, I'm willing to give it a wait-and-see approach. Maybe Bethesda will pull something good out of their ass. And if they don't, it's just another game on my "Do Not Buy" list.

S4ur0n27 · Post by **S4ur0n27** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 10:35 pm

If it's not on my buying list it will sure be on the "Downloads" one. It's still a Fallout game.

Role-Player · Post by **Role-Player** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 6:36 pm

There's still a long time ahead of us. Expect 3 to 4 years before its even released. TES IV will likely be released before it, and this leaves us with much time to analyze the technology powering Fallout 3, and to give input on the game's design, wheter at NMA wheter at Bethesda's own forums.

Franz Schubert · Post by **Franz Schubert** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 10:31 am

Jimmyjay86 wrote:Eh, I'm willing to give it a wait-and-see approach. Maybe Bethesda will pull something good out of their ass. And if they don't, it's just another game on my "Do Not Buy" list.

That's more or less how I feel about it, though I'm personally elated to hear this news. Ok, maybe "elated" is too strong a word, but look at it this way: At least with Bethesda, there's a chance that we'll see a playable Fallout 3. The same could never be said with Interplay. At the very, very least, Bethesda, unlike Interplay, is smart enough that they won't release a game unless it has a very good chance to sell well.

Mismatch · Post by **Mismatch** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 11:42 am

The one big worry I have is the statement they made about console and PC games being 100% something.
On the other hand, the things said about how much he like F1 && F2 gave me hope.

So, I suppose that I have the same fears that most of you do.
However, I am glad that it IS being developed, one do kindda get the feeling that this was the last chance for fallout3.

Only time can tell what will become of this, but with some luck all will be splendid.
But there is this little part of me that think all will go to hell.

But for now, I have decided to try to seem optimistic. I try to be, but I can't quite manage it. So I will settle with seeming.

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 11:56 am

It still doesn't make the fact any better, that they are (just like everyone else) money-hungry whores. They will try to rip off as much money as they can from Fo3 - which means they'll maximize their profits (by releasing it onto all consols and maybe even by leaving PC out for example) and minimize their expenses (by publishing the same version for all platforms for example).

Dark times ahead, I'm sure of this.

S4ur0n27 · Post by **S4ur0n27** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:52 pm

Mismatch wrote:The one big worry I have is the statement they made about console and PC games being 100% something.
On the other hand, the things said about how much he like F1 && F2 gave me hope.

Yeah, but didn't Chucky like FO very much too, and all the other who screwed up, at Microforte.

But like Franz said, it still gives us a chance of maybe having a good FO3. Hope is all we have left my friends.

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 11:05 pm

Egh the thing that I WAS actually bothered the most by, well besides the console thing, was when he was asked the question as to what viewpoint it'de be. 3rd person, 1st person, or classic isometric. And he replied "Too early to say, but I imagine it'll probably lean towards using technology that we're developing."

Meh, I don't know what to REALLY think of it, since its so vague. it only deals with the viewpoint, but the answer wasn't really satisfying. As for my stance......I'm kinda pestimistic about it, but I'm definetly willing to see what comes out of it.

Mismatch · Post by **Mismatch** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 11:18 pm

Indeed, the shit has hit the fan, let's hope that some undigested grain is still there being propelled back at us as we speak.

Which, I suppose, is what most ppl have said. So I am just saying what has already been said.

avenger69ie · Post by **avenger69ie** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 12:07 am

http://www.bethsoft.com/news/pressrelease_071204.htm

the actual bethesda press release

i dont give a fuck who makes it, so long as its not chucky. these guys seem to have their heads screwed on properly though

S4ur0n27 · Post by **S4ur0n27** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 4:14 am

Wolfman Walt wrote:Egh the thing that I WAS actually bothered the most by, well besides the console thing, was when he was asked the question as to what viewpoint it'de be. 3rd person, 1st person, or classic isometric. And he replied "Too early to say, but I imagine it'll probably lean towards using technology that we're developing."

Meh, I don't know what to REALLY think of it, since its so vague. it only deals with the viewpoint, but the answer wasn't really satisfying. As for my stance......I'm kinda pestimistic about it, but I'm definetly willing to see what comes out of it.

Still, engines can be adapted from FP to iso. Some modding team modded UT2k4 into a view on top action game.

atoga · Post by **atoga** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 9:44 pm

This is pretty freaky. I hope they don't kiss that non-combat stuff goodbye, which they probably will.

What else has Bethesda made? Aside from Morrowind, obviously.

Mismatch · Post by **Mismatch** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 9:47 pm

Daggerfall
Battlespire
Redguard
and... uh...
the first elder scrolls game... Arena i think it was called.

And thats about all games I know about.

I really hope that bethesda forces all people working on the Fallout3 project to play FO1 && FO2 start to end (or replay them if thay have played them already) to familiarize themselves with the fallout world.

Hmm, I took a look at the elder scrolls forum (Oh my, I almost typed whorum) and their fallout3 thread.... I do hope bethesda will not look in those forums for what ppl wand in fallout3. especially this post scared me:

I thought there were too many different types of ammo in Fallout 2. It gets confusing.