NASA fucks up again!
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Hey, either you're launching rockets into the air or missiles. What's the difference? And shit, would you care to tell me how 'wasting' $260 million on this (NASA guys were able to recover most of the collected sample by the way) compares to blowing $90 billion on the missile defense shield that doesn't work? But hey, I can't deny that building a missile defense shield could lead to some neat new technology. How about $150 billion for the invasion and occupation of Iraq, with projected spending of a total $217 billion by 2007? (numbers from the Atlantic Monthly) I don't think they're developing any new technology for that one. Without getting into the whole "OMG BUSH" debate, I still say that I'd rather have that $240 billion go to NASA.
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I think I'd rather that money go towards a different area of military research *both* are argueably a great waste, though the missile defense shield is the worse of the two. The difference between launching rockets and missiles is you expect missiles to come back down and cause casualties. So you need technologies to help you side against that and beable to return fire:Spazmo wrote:Hey, either you're launching rockets into the air or missiles. What's the difference? And shit, would you care to tell me how 'wasting' $260 million on this (NASA guys were able to recover most of the collected sample by the way) compares to blowing $90 billion on the missile defense shield that doesn't work? But hey, I can't deny that building a missile defense shield could lead to some neat new technology. How about $150 billion for the invasion and occupation of Iraq, with projected spending of a total $217 billion by 2007? (numbers from the Atlantic Monthly) I don't think they're developing any new technology for that one. Without getting into the whole "OMG BUSH" debate, I still say that I'd rather have that $240 billion go to NASA.
medicines
bulletproof armours
blast shieldings
composites
ligter composites so they can carry them
mass manufacture and sophisticated manufacture techniques
aircraft design
engines
propellants
batteries
transport
understanding of physics and dynamics from macro to micro level, chemistry and biology
shrimp bandages
radar and sonar
nuclear reactors
telecomunications
vaccines
enrichment routines for fissile products
computing
movement of the earth
ballistic theory
the list goes on.
The only problem generally occurs when instead of using highly trained, well-equipped soldiers to stop mass genocide you decide to invade a country on a flimsy web of lies or waste billions of tax payers money on "the next big thing".
Actually I suspect I'd rather the majority of the money go to neither, but that's a different story.
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Ever heard of spin-off technologies? The money NASA has used has resulted in quite a few advances in a number of different technologies. Let's go over a brief list, shall we? Not a comprehensive one at all.
Laser Angioplasty - Vaporizes coronary artery blockage without damaging arterial walls. Developed from a laser system first used for satellite-based atmospheric studies. Safer than a coronary bypass and has a wider utility than balloon angioplasty. May eventually be used for neurosurgery and orthopedics.
Cardiac Imaging Sytem - For use with balloon angioplasty, a higher quality imaging system to improve accuracy and the chance for success. First used for NASA's Earth remote sensing satellites.
Advanced Pacemaker - A pacemaker which can replicate the natural rhymes of an individuals heart, adjusted my a doctor without the need for surgery. Uses communications technology originally used between Earth and satellites.
Infrared Thermometer - Ever used an aural thermometer? One which gauges your temperature from your ear? This technology was developed by NASA to remotely sense the temperatures of planets and stars.
Body Imaging - HICAP is a program original used to distinguish Earth surface features in Landsat image processing. Now it is used with MRI and CAT scans to distinguish between healthy and diseased tissue.
Ocular Screening System - Developed by NASA's Marchall Space Flight Center and Dr. Howard Kerr, this technology is used to detect vision problems. It consists of a photorefracter made up of a 35 mm camera with a telephoto lens and an electronic flash unit. The light of the flash unit is reflected back to the camera, which captures the reflective properties of the inner and outer parts of both eyes. Requiring minimal cooperation on the part of the patient, it can be used on infants and young children.
That's all I'm going to list, and that's not one hundredth of the spin-off technologies. Now, I'm sure you are wondering, why can't this technology couldn't be developed by researching medicine. Well, if you read carefully, you will notice that most of these technologies were developed for other applications. Research in one area can create unexpected benefits in other areas, things which researchers in medicine may never have thought of.
Laser Angioplasty - Vaporizes coronary artery blockage without damaging arterial walls. Developed from a laser system first used for satellite-based atmospheric studies. Safer than a coronary bypass and has a wider utility than balloon angioplasty. May eventually be used for neurosurgery and orthopedics.
Cardiac Imaging Sytem - For use with balloon angioplasty, a higher quality imaging system to improve accuracy and the chance for success. First used for NASA's Earth remote sensing satellites.
Advanced Pacemaker - A pacemaker which can replicate the natural rhymes of an individuals heart, adjusted my a doctor without the need for surgery. Uses communications technology originally used between Earth and satellites.
Infrared Thermometer - Ever used an aural thermometer? One which gauges your temperature from your ear? This technology was developed by NASA to remotely sense the temperatures of planets and stars.
Body Imaging - HICAP is a program original used to distinguish Earth surface features in Landsat image processing. Now it is used with MRI and CAT scans to distinguish between healthy and diseased tissue.
Ocular Screening System - Developed by NASA's Marchall Space Flight Center and Dr. Howard Kerr, this technology is used to detect vision problems. It consists of a photorefracter made up of a 35 mm camera with a telephoto lens and an electronic flash unit. The light of the flash unit is reflected back to the camera, which captures the reflective properties of the inner and outer parts of both eyes. Requiring minimal cooperation on the part of the patient, it can be used on infants and young children.
That's all I'm going to list, and that's not one hundredth of the spin-off technologies. Now, I'm sure you are wondering, why can't this technology couldn't be developed by researching medicine. Well, if you read carefully, you will notice that most of these technologies were developed for other applications. Research in one area can create unexpected benefits in other areas, things which researchers in medicine may never have thought of.
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Fuck all of that. You want ot save money? Scrap the nuke sub fleet. Christ. We don't need a full ffleet of cold-war era attack submarines patrolling waiting for ...what? Oh. The Russian Bear. Yeah, the Bear's legs broke a few years ago and no one bothered to help it out. It's not going to hurt anyone. How many billions would be saved by keeping a fraction of the sub fleet alive?
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Thank you. I will point out that I have heard of spin-off technologies because the military is one of the greatest if not the greatest producer of those. I was mainly just wondering how the two stacked up against each other. As I saw it more had come out of the military than NASA research, you have correctly pointed out to me that NASA produces a number of them aswell, some very good ones. I have also pointed out some that have come from military research. I'm not too sure which has produced more. You seem quite sure more has come from NASA than the military, so I'll take your word on that for now unless someone has an actualy tally or summary.Kotario wrote:Ever heard of spin-off technologies? The money NASA has used has resulted in quite a few advances in a number of different technologies. Let's go over a brief list, shall we? Not a comprehensive one at all.
Laser Angioplasty - Vaporizes coronary artery blockage without damaging arterial walls. Developed from a laser system first used for satellite-based atmospheric studies. Safer than a coronary bypass and has a wider utility than balloon angioplasty. May eventually be used for neurosurgery and orthopedics.
Cardiac Imaging Sytem - For use with balloon angioplasty, a higher quality imaging system to improve accuracy and the chance for success. First used for NASA's Earth remote sensing satellites.
Advanced Pacemaker - A pacemaker which can replicate the natural rhymes of an individuals heart, adjusted my a doctor without the need for surgery. Uses communications technology originally used between Earth and satellites.
Infrared Thermometer - Ever used an aural thermometer? One which gauges your temperature from your ear? This technology was developed by NASA to remotely sense the temperatures of planets and stars.
Body Imaging - HICAP is a program original used to distinguish Earth surface features in Landsat image processing. Now it is used with MRI and CAT scans to distinguish between healthy and diseased tissue.
Ocular Screening System - Developed by NASA's Marchall Space Flight Center and Dr. Howard Kerr, this technology is used to detect vision problems. It consists of a photorefracter made up of a 35 mm camera with a telephoto lens and an electronic flash unit. The light of the flash unit is reflected back to the camera, which captures the reflective properties of the inner and outer parts of both eyes. Requiring minimal cooperation on the part of the patient, it can be used on infants and young children.
That's all I'm going to list, and that's not one hundredth of the spin-off technologies. Now, I'm sure you are wondering, why can't this technology couldn't be developed by researching medicine. Well, if you read carefully, you will notice that most of these technologies were developed for other applications. Research in one area can create unexpected benefits in other areas, things which researchers in medicine may never have thought of.
From what I've seen, NASA research produces more extremely high-tech stuff, like the medical advances Kotario was mentioning. However, virtually every neat little consumer gadget, from civilian SCUBA gear to some computer game technologies, came from military research.Voluptuous Pachyderm wrote: Thank you. I will point out that I have heard of spin-off technologies because the military is one of the greatest if not the greatest producer of those. I was mainly just wondering how the two stacked up against each other. As I saw it more had come out of the military than NASA research, you have correctly pointed out to me that NASA produces a number of them aswell, some very good ones. I have also pointed out some that have come from military research. I'm not too sure which has produced more. You seem quite sure more has come from NASA than the military, so I'll take your word on that for now unless someone has an actualy tally or summary.
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The point is not that the military doesn't produce high tech goodies. The point is that money that's being blown on pointless military nonsense like missile shields and Iraq would be far better spent with NASA. You know as well as I do that research into military applications would continue even if said military wasn't invading places and building missiles shields. It's just a matter of billions better spent.
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Damn straight.Spazmo wrote:The point is not that the military doesn't produce high tech goodies. The point is that money that's being blown on pointless military nonsense like missile shields and Iraq would be far better spent with NASA. You know as well as I do that research into military applications would continue even if said military wasn't invading places and building missiles shields. It's just a matter of billions better spent.
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You people should run for public office, you sound so sure you can run the budgets better than they are now.
Just a thought....
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