Interplay Attempts to Pimp DAC

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Thu Dec 14, 2006 7:56 am

You're circling the argument with your "logic", Snake. They make shitty games because we keep downloading them (According to you) instead of buying them, but we download them instead of buying them because they make shitty games.

MR Snake · Post by **MR Snake** » Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:13 pm

Its a circle of hate that never ends!

Like racism and Rash.

Oh and Kharn

frissy · Post by **frissy** » Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:21 pm

Hate hate hate hate.

Brother None · Post by **Brother None** » Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:32 pm

4too wrote:I would like to know where Haris and Mr. Snake 'got' these ideas . Part of this is right out out the Todd Howard marketing survey rationalizations that only a special age demographic buy enough games to justify the multi million dollars cost of Nex Gen productions. Source this to the streaming radio interview at Escape_Radio:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/radio/ episodes 3 and 4,

If I understand what Haris and Mr, Snake mean by down loading, they mean pirating. They are perpetuating the rationalization that consoles stop all pirating, and MMO's stop all pirating. They are perpetuating the rationalization for apologists to make NO PC GAMES! This is the - group think - of corporate marketing monopolists, ....

AND THE --- GROUP SPEAK --- OF COMPANY SPYS AND JAIL HOUSE SNITCHES! Native guerillas marketing corporate group think!

Your rather paranoid android accusations aside, you have a point here. But I don't think anyone was taking haris' unsubstantiated remark that MMOs are the future because single-player games are DOWNLOADED (and, mutatis mutandis, that this applies to Fallout MMO) very seriously.

Hell, I don't think anyone was taking haris seriously.

people in general this is. But you yourselves download the games which do not contribute to the funding of the games and the companies that do fund them.

Nice accusÃƒÂ¨. The only games I download are to replace scratched-up CDs, if I can't find an easy way to replace the CD otherwise (which is strictly speaking illegal, but not immoral, nor hurting sales).

Your claim lacks substance. Or are you saying Oblivion's sales numbers are a hot air balloon?

Thor Kaufman · Post by **Thor Kaufman** » Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:56 pm

Arrrr, pirates

Haris · Post by **Haris** » Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:19 pm

Your rather paranoid android accusations aside, you have a point here. But I don't think anyone was taking haris' unsubstantiated remark that MMOs are the future because single-player games are DOWNLOADED (and, mutatis mutandis, that this applies to Fallout MMO) very seriously.

Hell, I don't think anyone was taking haris seriously.

Thats why my answer was so short, cause 4too read way to much in to my posts that i didnt even feel to defend my self there.

Davaris · Post by **Davaris** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:33 am

You're circling the argument with your "logic", Snake. They make shitty games because we keep downloading them (According to you) instead of buying them, but we download them instead of buying them because they make shitty games.

You can forget the AAAs making the types of games you want, because you are a tiny market and are not worth their time. The vast majority of people aren't interested in computer games (especially RPGs) and the number of people that like sci-fi RPGs are a tiny percentage of the total RPG market.

http://www.mmogchart.com

However if you like a particular type of game, you can do something to get it made.

1) Find the Indepents that are making the games you want, or at the very least are trying.

2) Support them financially by buying their games, so they can afford to make more games.

3) Take part in their forums and encourage them to make the types of games you want.

4) Tell people about their games (put them in your sig). Advertising is worthless compared to a recommendation from a respected peer.

5) Actively discourage people that think Piracy is okay, or at the very least discourage them from pirating the Independents, because to these guys every sale counts.

MadBill · Post by **MadBill** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:09 am

Unless it is Bet on Soldier = pirate away!

4too · Post by **4too** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:42 am

Out Of Context - So - Over The Top

The phrases I fingered appeared to me, not to be replies to immediate posts.

The phrases are relevant to a discussion of MMO's, AND were a phase, a degree or two out of context.

I am not any one's role model for organized text -- ural eloquence, very ruff to the touch, AND theses slogans stuck out like half hammered nails.

I had not noticed any hint of the discussion moving to the financial decisions, shaped by marketing studies.

Marketing studies that rattle the sabers, threaten group punishment. A bloody shirt all entertainment publishers must wave about, part of doing business.

The slogans appeared. As if the contributers were laboring through an assigned script. Or parroting fragments of other discussions.

Yes, even in text forums with minutes, and days between responses, one can 'shoot from the hip' and jump two pages ahead in ones' store of argumentative ammunition.

So in the best, or worst, 'over the top' manner I was asking if these were 'slips' of the tongue, or 'rips' from a prepared script.

Were the parties their own agents of fortune or the enlisted agents of change of a larger social, financial, political juggernaut. The entertainment industry is a big dog.

I don't fault the slips that have us mouth the slogans.

I want you to be aware of these gems that become the rationalizations for decision making.

Group speak by intent equates to group think.

These slogans do not come from my the normal daily experience, and appear as propaganda parachuted into a forum discussion.

Knowing the origin and their formative context may be enough.
Why become the 'talking head' of an industry
that would sooner change the meaning of RPG, and even MMO,
than do the quality work necessary to publish real RPG's and good MMO's?

Be your own 'talking head'.

.......................

Haris, you are correct that I see larger issues in my contribution to this thread. Any reply was optional.

If I am projecting issues, casting roles ....
Perhaps I could have stuck to the "Rosh's Christmas Story", schtick.
Casting jolly ol' frissy as the ghost of Christmas Present, and that inter-web terror, allegedly known as ..... report just in ..... 'Haris' , as the ghost of Christmas Future ...

Who's Tiny Tim?

Too late to loook baack!

Straight ahead, and over the top .......

.......................

Mr. Snake, money and time, when we have the money, may we have the time to sample all these games, movies, books ....

Too many bargains NOT to be buying, something.

I find it easy to buy the games that had good demos.
But, when hooked will blindly buy expansions, such as the recent Warhammer 40,000 series.

It would be interesting (horrific?) if game companies went to the MicroSoft route of authenticating one's copy to get the enable patches and the security updates. Is that part of the model of current MMO's, part of the subscription ritual?

Group punishment. A punitive stick that's dirty on both ends.

4too

Haris · Post by **Haris** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 4:07 pm

4too you seriosly need to go out of your house now and than just to see what it sounds like, when actual people talk and stuff.

MR Snake · Post by **MR Snake** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 4:25 pm

I agree with Haris here. You make no sence with your geberish.

oh, Rash likes to sniff male butt and Kharn is the one getting sniffed.

Frater Perdurabo · Post by **Frater Perdurabo** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:15 pm

4too > the swedes

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:43 pm

You can forget the AAAs making the types of games you want, because you are a tiny market and are not worth their time.

So it's impossible to ask the market to sell games that aren't shit? Cause for a moment there, I thought that was the only criteria I had listed.

Nicolai · Post by **Nicolai** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:31 pm

Frater Perdurabo wrote:4too > the swedes

Indeed.

Haris · Post by **Haris** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:36 pm

Nicolai wrote:
Frater Perdurabo wrote:4too > the swedes
Indeed.

That post would bother me if i had not seen the space cat thread.

Mismatch · Post by **Mismatch** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:37 pm

Frater Perdurabo wrote:4too > the swedes

Im not with those guys.
They're more like danes anyway.

Fa11lloutfan_15 · Post by **Fa11lloutfan_15** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:35 pm

Mismatch: I always thought you were British?

Mismatch · Post by **Mismatch** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:42 pm

TinyTeeth wrote:Mismatch: I always thought you were British?

I'm not quite sure why people get that idea. Aneurysm thought I was too.
Im not though.
Im swedish. And I assure you, we're not all like those two.

Thor Kaufman · Post by **Thor Kaufman** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:56 pm

:boten anna:

atoga · Post by **atoga** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:58 pm

Haris wrote:when actual people talk and stuff.

bullshit, son, i'm a selfrespecting english speaker and i have much more trouble 'reading into' your incoherent posts than i do with 4too's, which i might add are a larf to read.

so can we ban haris yet? it's like hatman all over again

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Interplay Attempts to Pimp DAC

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Out Of Context - So - Over The Top