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frissy wrote:Hehehe... the biggest community lost 87% of it's members due to a tricky url :D
Heh. I already dislike NMA's URL, but as pointed out many times, it gets us loads of googly hits.

I doubt Vault BR could host us. With our filesection dragging along and the big mess that is our forum, we're a bit topheavy, as in dedicated server topheavy.

Site seems to be purring along a bit better now.
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Perhaps something could be done to the topheavy part...?
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Kharn wrote: I'm more surprised to find out that apparently Rosh actually worked on the NMA site. I must've completely missed that somehow, here I was thinking he hadn't actually done a single shred of work for years now.
I was the one getting all the "firsthand" information that you and the rest of the lazy shits couldn't bother to get yourselves, nor could you pay any attention even when I did divulge what I know even on your own fucking forum. Even basic concepts that are integral to the setting are now missed ("50's DC Comics"...ROFL!), as apparently it WAS a full-time job to keep both kinds of clueless in line - those who visited the site, and those who merely repost news. Unless it was Briosafreak or someone else handing you info, you couldn't care to look or investigate much more than that. You want to be spoon-fed and lazy, to have material handed to you; that's your decision, not mine, and certainly not Miroslav's. At least Odin bothered to do his part when he was around and dug for info on his own. You? You're here to see what news DAC has and hasn't posted so you can feel happy about "scooping" them. Silencer's even more useless unless it's tinkering with the undocumented and sleazy hacks Odin made upon the forum, which still doesn't work as it should.

Hell, even when "firsthand" information is posted onto the forum, and verified by me with extra points put into context, you still fail to have a clue. Then you absolutely lack the balls to post the rumor (and instead argue it along with Sander about "Bethesda hasn't told us anything official yet", even with my input on the subject), even if it's something that NMA has done in the past (since, well, it's news), in particular the info going around about Fallout Fantasy. Yes, it was a rumor for the most part at the time, with some speculation involved, but it was also news. News that Odin and others posted. Take a look at Odin's posting and yours, and then try to claim that "we don't post rumors" shit again. Simply put, that is an excuse concocted by you and Silencer to try and deny the fact that in your e-peen game, you missed what could have been the ultimate scoop on your own fucking news forum.

Details about the game are certainly more newsworthy than "Emil showed up on DAC's forums and had absolutely nothing to say"...just like he did at NMA's forums a year ago, to the same useless effect. As for Briosafreak claiming that NMA "verifies" rumors...I verified it, while you and Sander decided to be useless shits and bicker over irrelevant crap, while VDweller was trying to paint a clearer picture of Bethesda's marketing strategy for the benefit of the mildly retarded. You know, while everyone was in denial about how Bethesda handled things with Oblivion.

You dare to talk about usefulness and work at NMA? While I was trying to UN-fuck NMA's back-end from the sleazy undocumented hacks Odin patched up the site with (which are extensive and in many ways sloppy - how long has it been since the code was updated? Only part of it was, in some sections, and that was due to neither you or Silencer)), you were posting old hat news and trying to e-peen scoop DAC in some frantic sense to look useful after your retarded comments about NMA adopting a CMS to rebuild broken content and to restore the site to what it should be. ("No like WIKI! It false with too many edits!" - that is why you put up editorial restrictions, no matter what CMS you're using. Equating the edit wars to some reason why we couldn't use a CMS system akin to Wiki or otherwise, to rebuild the site, was rather stupid. And it's also why the site sits there still with broken content. And will keep sitting there as long as you lazy shits just sit there and wait for people to hand it to you. Like you're now indefinitely waiting for Silencer to get on Marv's ass to do his job as host...as you've been waiting for MONTHS.) In fact, e-peen "scooping" DAC was pretty much all NMA seemed to care about as of late. Sorry if I was trying to actually REBUILD the site, and not just do a couple of token HTML edits, the epitome of your technical prowess and involvement outside reposting news at NMA.

So tell me, does Silencer still need someone to read NMA's own news forum to him, or has he since managed to figure it out?

The FUCKED List:

<li>NMA's MySQL databases are, to a point, viewable to the public if you know which directory to go to. This includes private messages and messages from private forums, which I could browse in sets of 30 or 100, unlogged, from IE and no login whatsoever, and including the basic forum structure if someone knew what they were doing. Fixed, for now, by CHMODing the AdminSQL folder to 770 to remove all outside access to it aside from FTP. That is beside the point, however, when the directory is normally publicly viewable (and probably has been botted long before I found it wide open). - This holds true now for multiple directories based upon the same insecure set-up.
<li>Downloads link from the main site goes to a completely contrasting theme when going into the forum section. Recommendation: the base style of the forum be changed to match the core site's style, the current style of the forum be selectable once logged into the forum.
<li>About Us.. page. Not even the slightest attempt at a spam trap, and given the host's inability to apply a filter to my inbox, my e-mail account has been totally fucked like I've been saying for the last year, spammed to hell and beyond. I've just recently had to purge it again from about 3k messages. Don't worry about it now.
<li>Entertainment -> Fallout Concentration. Since it uses PERL, it's of no use whatsoever, I guess.
<li>Entertainment -> Fan Fiction: The Raiding of Vault 18 by Raymond Prefontaine broken or missing link.
<li>Gallery goes to similar contrasting theme problem akin to Doanloads section.
<li>Poll archives has a broken instance of the polll on top. Voting leads to a blank page with "No title/message/Username."
<li>Fallout 1 Character Editor is FUBAR
<li>Fallout 1 Gallery, contrasting theme again
<li>The entirety of the Fallout 1 items databse
<li>Current site background makes the eyes water when trying to make out the details of the Pip-Boy automapping screens on the location screen pages
<li>Fallout 1 VO page about 7 years out of date and probably should properly credit and link to IMDB as the source
<li>Fallout 2 Character Editor is similarly FUBAR
<li>The entire Fallout 2 Character section is just a copy of the Fallout 1 Character section
<li>The Fallout 2 item page conveniently has "Fallout Items" listed under "Fallout Items".
<li>The Fallout 2 small weapons page is missing the graphic for the Zip Gun.
<li>The same with the entire phazer entry for the energy weapons page
<li>There is a misc page for the Fallout 2 items section, but none of the pages in said section link to it
<li>Fallout 2 Gallery has the same contrasting theme problem
<li>Fallout 2 Maps page has same problems as Fallout 1 maps page with background
<li>Fallout 2 Maps pages are incomplete, missing sub-pages are there but not linked to, nor fleshed out
<li>Fallout 2 VO page about 7 years out of date
<li>Typo in Fallout Tactics Cheat page "Full version, unpathced Cheats:"
<li>Fallout Tactics encounters page is incomplete
<li>Gallery, same thing as Fallout 1 & 2
<li>The Fallout Tactics items page is unsorted, disjointed, many are without picture and possibly description
<li>FOT maps section, same as with anything else that uses the forum
<li>FOT Missions page is incomplete, as are a few of the individual mission pages
<li>FOT Races pages have the same entry for all Human races, instead of the background description for each
<li>And, often, the ads taking forever in loading means that our menu won't load

This is shit you have to actively look for, and given that the lead admin of the "largest" (heh, not in content...) Fallout site can't even bother to pay attention to his own news forum, and you're too busy e-peening with DAC, I certainly was doing a lot more actual site work than either of you useless shits. Fixing the site was another matter, and I only got noise from you both. Face it, Kharn, news reposting could be (and was) done by a moderator. Until you decided to look "useful", that job was being done already, and a bit better since you keep posting old hat news and lack the balls to post something that people put their jobs at risk in order to divulge. Probably due to that "clueless" thing I mentioned previously, though I'm fairly certain you'd argue the clue to death much like you argued against divulged information on your own forum.
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I'm not actually making a reply on Rosh's statement (which is about facts) but as a normal user...well the nma-site is slow as hell and I NEVER fully understood the "idea" behind the systems. Mostly meaning the files and gallery. Ok, Nma is a big community, but still...I've seen bigger and better...with minimal effort from the hoster/keeper/main dude/whatever. I've always felt that anything beyond the normal "web" has been fucked on nma.

Rosh is just stating the more technical side of it (and more or less the other too)
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The main newsposters over the past years have, in order, been Miroslav, Odin, Briosafreak and Silencer/me. Those people are not moderators.

The policy is not to post rumours unless gained firsthand, Rosh. Yes, I think we've broken that policy at times, as we did others, but it's not habit to break policy, it's the exception. The strange thing is that you were a newsposter yourself at NMA, so why exactly didn't you post it yourself? Why is it wrong that I didn't post it but ok that you didn't post it?

As for your attempts to rebuild NMA. Admirable, I'll give you that, but it didn't benefit a single user. While you spend years talking about fixing the site, you never went to the trouble to fix a single page by hand. So the net effect of all your efforts? Zero. That really, really sucks, and I understand your frustration with Marv's ineffectiveness, but that doesn't change the fact that the net effect is zero.

Your fucked list is a joke compared to what it was before I started the tedious job of content wrenching, which I did almost half a year before it even occured to you to make that list. None of the images on any of the map pages worked, almost 2/3 of the external links were broken, the Fallout 3 pages made it look like Van Buren was still an active project, almost all the internal links on the maps and other gamehelp pages were broken. Those're almost all fixed now. Relatively unimportant? Sure, for atoga's reason, as well as for year reasons in that it's far from a longterm fix, it doesn't solve anything, but I think we all realised that. Does that change the fact that Montez and others worked on many of these others while you haven't fixed a single one? You made that list quite a while ago, didn't you? So why didn't you fix any of those errors in the past year?

PS: this thread won't die.
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PS: this thread won't die.
You dont really seem to want it dead.
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lock this thread please
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SuperH wrote:lock this thread please
No.

This is a safety valve.

The "DAC workaround" for communication might prove useful.

By being useful it could ultimately provide a way to fix things that can't even be addressed within NMA, due to structure and tradition.

And it's entertaining to read.
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dear lord I've been e-penning! :aiee:
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PiP you suck.
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dont worry harris. you can always go to a high profile software house and present your work (wasteland merc 2) and tjolahopp - you got the money and a leet mercedes. then you can come to brag and DaCers will be sorry for not giving you the 5 rad symbols describing you as a game developer.

edit: adding pneumonic peckinpahian salad
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This thread will not be locked.
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This is the best thread ever.
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Is anyone actually reading Rosh's posts?
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Yes...they're quite enlightening.
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Yes,

In conclusion to Rosh post.

Unless it has to do with "the order" Kharn does not give a flying fuck about the rest of nma.

Well fucking done you Dutch retard.
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S4ur0n27 wrote:Is anyone actually reading Rosh's posts?
Yes. They're pure fun.
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vx trauma wrote:dont worry harris. you can always go to a high profile software house and present your work (wasteland merc 2) and tjolahopp - you got the money and a leet mercedes. then you can come to brag and DaCers will be sorry for not giving you the 5 rad symbols describing you as a game developer.

edit: adding pneumonic peckinpahian salad
I googled Wasteland Merc and read the description of it. I mean, he's got a pretty good chance. It's shit like that the developers seem to be digging the most currently, isn't it?
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I googled Wasteland Merc and read the description of it. I mean, he's got a pretty good chance. It's shit like that the developers seem to be digging the most currently, isn't it?
Finally someone who gets it.
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vx trauma wrote:not giving you the 5 rad symbols describing you as a game developer.
I don't even had 5 rad symbols anymore :anger:
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