1000 articles at The Vault

ApTyp · Post by **ApTyp** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 7:09 pm

So he'd rather see Vault Wiki die than support the biggest online source of Fallout information on the web?

This is childish.

Ausir · Post by **Ausir** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 7:10 pm

Well, it's not dying and we have some contributors who are mainly NMA users, so let's not exaggerate

. It's far from being DEAD DEAD DEAD.

Killzig · Post by **Killzig** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 7:11 pm

Good on you, guys. Great piece of work

Still has some ways to go, what with it having 262 stubs at the moment, but that's the nature of any Wiki.

Wish it was more of a cross-site project than just a DaC project, but hell, you came up with the idea, and that's the way the cookie crumbles, ey.

PS: the 10mm page needs a detailed description of how the 10mm pistol is based on the gun from Hard Boiled

Sorry but this is about as whiney and vindictive as you can get. Intended or not, you're still a two-faced cunt.

ApTyp · Post by **ApTyp** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 7:14 pm

Ausir wrote:Well, it's not dying and we have some contributors who are mainly NMA users, so let's not exaggerate . It's far from being DEAD DEAD DEAD.

Yes, but since Odin wouldn't move a finger to help it out, we might just as well assume he doesn't give a shit about what happens to it.

Brother None · Post by **Brother None** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:16 pm

Killzig; eye of the beholder.

ApTyp wrote:Yes, but since Odin wouldn't move a finger to help it out, we might just as well assume he doesn't give a shit about what happens to it.

No doubt. Should he feel obliged to give a shit about it? Again, it's been claimed as *the* Duck and Cover project, he's never been asked his opinion about it, talked to about it or let alone invited to join in.

You seem to think he should for some odd reason feel naturally obliged to care about the Vault. That for some reason he should set up a non-requested unasked for NMA campaign to support the project. Why, exactly?

jiujitsu · Post by **jiujitsu** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:36 pm

Argument over!

Asked: http://www.nma-fallout.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14867

Replied: http://www.nma-fallout.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14869

Brother None · Post by **Brother None** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:51 pm

jiujitsu wrote:Argument over!

Ah, but you see, the argument is never over

PS: Ausir, do you ever check pm's? Just asking.

S4ur0n27 · Post by **S4ur0n27** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:56 pm

Kharn wrote:Killzig; eye of the beholder.

ApTyp wrote:Yes, but since Odin wouldn't move a finger to help it out, we might just as well assume he doesn't give a shit about what happens to it.
No doubt. Should he feel obliged to give a shit about it? Again, it's been claimed as *the* Duck and Cover project, he's never been asked his opinion about it, talked to about it or let alone invited to join in.

You seem to think he should for some odd reason feel naturally obliged to care about the Vault. That for some reason he should set up a non-requested unasked for NMA campaign to support the project. Why, exactly?

You brought the subject.

Kharn wrote:Wish it was more of a cross-site project than just a DaC project,

We're just saying we don't have to invite anyone in particular for them to participate. We didn't even deplore the fact NMA didn't make any publicity about it.

Brother None · Post by **Brother None** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:03 pm

S4ur0n27 wrote:You brought the subject.

Because it's something worth discussing. This can't really be called a "Fallout fan" project proper if it lacks support of one of the two largest Fallout sites. I like the project and dislike the one-sidedness of it.

Excuse me for not applauding the fact you didn't "even" deplore the fact that NMA hasn't given this any public support, as again such support would be totally unasked for.

I'm simply trying to open up a dialogue about this, since so far there's been some kind of wall between NMA and DaC when it comes to the wiki. I'd like it to change, but I can't change it by forcing it through from one side, really.

Killzig · Post by **Killzig** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:06 pm

Kharn wrote:
S4ur0n27 wrote:You brought the subject.
Because it's something worth discussing. This can't really be called a "Fallout fan" project proper if it lacks support of one of the two largest Fallout sites. I like the project and dislike the one-sidedness of it.

Sure it can. We are fallout fans, we support the project. Just because you're not hosting it doesn't mean you're not invited to contribute and as Ausir says, there are plenty of NMA users working on it.

Mr. Teatime · Post by **Mr. Teatime** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:14 pm

Kharn wrote:I'm simply trying to open up a dialogue about this, since so far there's been some kind of wall between NMA and DaC when it comes to the wiki. I'd like it to change, but I can't change it by forcing it through from one side, really.

THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO ARE STOPPING YOU FROM CONTRIBUTING ARE YOURSELVES REFUSING TO CONTRIBUTE. Got it? Clear? Hmm, how else can I put it...

THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO ARE STOPPING YOU FROM CONTRIBUTING ARE YOURSELVES REFUSING TO CONTRIBUTE.

THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO ARE STOPPING YOU FROM CONTRIBUTING ARE YOURSELVES REFUSING TO CONTRIBUTE.

THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO ARE STOPPING YOU FROM CONTRIBUTING ARE YOURSELVES REFUSING TO CONTRIBUTE.

Brother None · Post by **Brother None** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:26 pm

Teatime, is it actually possible to hold a normal conversation with you? Just asking.

I repeat, in case you missed it the last 3 times, this is not about contribution, this is about public support from NMA. Do you understand the difference? No? Didn't think so.

also, Killzig, same story, this is an open Fallout fan project like any wiki is, but it only has the support of one site. That does make a difference.

Mr. Teatime · Post by **Mr. Teatime** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:32 pm

Well I just think this is a complete non-issue being made into one by NMA admins, just like the Susan spamming was months ago.

ApTyp · Post by **ApTyp** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:36 pm

So what, you want to control what is "fan project" and what isn't by selectively ignoring projects you don't like?

Brother None · Post by **Brother None** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:40 pm

Mr. Teatime wrote:Well I just think this is a complete non-issue being made into one by NMA admins, just like the Susan spamming was months ago.

The fact that you think so says a lot about your competence as a site admin, doesn't it?

APTYP wrote:So what, you want to control what is "fan project" and what isn't by selectively ignoring projects you don't like?

Just as much as DaC does, yes. If we had started a wiki, would you've ignored it or gone with it? Let's be honest here, you'd probably ignored it and I equally honest I doubt we would've cared much about you joining up either. Guess we both suck...

You make it sound more ridiculous than it is, though, we don't decide dick, but again you seem to be demanding of NMA that it jump on the chance to support your project for no good reason whatsoever.

PS: and fer Pete's sake, Ausir, ya slowpoke!

ApTyp · Post by **ApTyp** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:45 pm

Fallout Wiki is "no good reason whatsoever"? Wow, and you want to have any sort of impact on development of future Fallout games? What would an alternative to Fallout reference be for, say, Bethesda developers - the game? NMA forums? You're playing politics with Fallout's future. Just don't put the whole blame on the developers when you see talking Deathclaws in Fallout 3...

Mr. Teatime · Post by **Mr. Teatime** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:50 pm

Kharn wrote:
Mr. Teatime wrote:Well I just think this is a complete non-issue being made into one by NMA admins, just like the Susan spamming was months ago.
The fact that you think so says a lot about your competence as a site admin, doesn't it?

Well, this whole thread which has turned into a flamewar certainly says a lot about someone, true. But, hey, I can see you're working hard on repairing that 'wall' you're so concerned about.

POOPERSCOOPER · Post by **POOPERSCOOPER** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:50 pm

We really dont care if you "officially" support it. Anyone can come and look at it and add stuff to it, we aren't going to restrict it to specific users. Its basically you not wanting to participate because its a DAC founded project or some shit. If it was founded by NMA i probably wouldn't participate anyways because you would be AUSIR x10 who is a nazi at what SHOULD be contributed.

To have an open source type project you can't really ban people who you dont like or agree with, because its not really opensource then is it?

Kharn, I know you think you're vastly more intellgent than all of us.(kharn: OMG I SAID NOTHING TO ASSUME THAT LOL) But you are wrong on this and a swell guy.

Brother None · Post by **Brother None** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:52 pm

Whoa, man, hold the melo-drama. The future of Fallout is not in the hands of your wiki-project, you know. Especially not as it is an encyclopedia, not an opinion-piece.

I still don't understand your logic, though. Somehow the wiki is so grand, such an important project for Falloutdom that NMA should feel automatically obliged to join in en masse in a pre-defined DaC-specific project, without invitation? That might even be seen as rude from our side

Mr. Teatime wrote:Well, this whole thread which has turned into a flamewar certainly says a lot about someone, true. But, hey, I can see you're working hard on repairing that 'wall' you're so concerned about.

Oh yes, obviously the shoe's on my foot.

May I suggest we drop the subject, by the way? Go ahead and reply to have the final word, but to be frank I really did intend my comments to open up a normal dialogue about this project, which I failed in. My fault.

atoga · Post by **atoga** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:10 pm

internet politics omg

Even more uninteresting than day-to-day real life politics. Don't you people ever talk about anything nice?