Long live heavy metal

xbow · Post by **xbow** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 6:48 am

Atoga

You sure AINT the sharpest tool in the box are you, just a SA with nothing to back it up, You simply don't know what you are talking about.

You are just too easy to foil Atoga try 'Ritchie Blackmore', His influences are Blues, Classical, and Hard Rock. Consider Steve Morse who has been with Deep Purple for seven or eight years now and his influences are Jazz, Blues, Fusion, hard rock, and Classical ( I like his work with the Dixie Dregs more than his Deep Purple stuff). Of course Tony Iomi will cite Blues and Jazz as his strongest influences. are those guys real enough for you atoga? A simple question for atoga, "tell me you perfidious little troll, what is the primary difference between Hard Rock and Heavy metal?"

Now that the peanut gallery has been taken care ofÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¦

subhuman wrote:The ratio of good stuff to crap is extremely out of whack, and for that reason alone, metal doesn't deserve the sort of tongue licking you're giving it.

Subhuman

Ha! Ha! ouch! Nice one!! I am not giving it a tongue licking actually (ok I guess I did), when I said the it was the greatest shit since sliced bread. I was really refering to Progressive Metal, since I failed to state that fact, and since I overstated my case I guess deserved a little tongue lashing.

Truth be known when I shell out my cash to see a concert or buy music its usually a Prog Rock/Prog Metal, Jazz/Rock Fusion concert, or something special like Emerson, Lake and Palmer, KingsX, King Crimson, man I wish I could see Rush, Pink Floyd, and YES again. I have to admit I really like Tool they have a very unique sound, I also Love Black Sabbath, a bit of atmospheric music, some movie sound track stuff by players like Tangerine Dream and Vangelis. Have you ever listened to a CD called I advance Masked by Robert Fripp & Andy Summers ? I even like Rob Zombie., spyro Gyra, Eric Johonson, Stanly Clarke, John Petatucci, Alain Carron, Brian Bromburg etc etc etc.....

I really can't argue with your comment about the horrific ratio of bad Rock and Metal to the good stuff.

Its a fact that most of the Rock-Metal-Grunge-Alternative music gets published only because the band LOOKS MARKETABLE. Who gives a shit what the assholes sound like because they can fix their bumbling attempt at musical expresion in the studio. The studio musicians and techs can even provide their sound man with patches and sequences to insert in a live concert so that the morons that listen to them think that the assholes can really play. A case in point would be a pack of pathetic clowns that call themselves Lit, GAWD what a bunch of hacks. I wish I had never heard their tune 'miserable' because it is so horrible that it has burned itself into my memory and it hurts.

While Metal in general doesn't deserve a serious knob job neither can the entire form be condemned and kiestered in the way atoga mindlessly did. The stores are filled with such garbage CD's that would rather use for target practice than listen to.

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atoga · Post by **atoga** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 7:18 am

Here's a challenge for you, Xbow, since you're obviously up for it: type a concise, to-the-point insult, or try to post without rambling on into flames. Half of your posts don't make sense - I had to read that one three times and guess where the right punctuation might go - but to give you the benefit of the doubt I'll assume you're trying to pull a 4too (right down to addressing people by name) and are on the level of trying to fuck with my head or pull me through some dialectic.

But where to start? What's your argument? You're saying that, because these artists developed from blues rock, and, because somewhere down on the line heavy metal came from them as well, then heavy metal can be considered to be influenced by blues. While the lines blur, the distinction can be made between what is hard rock and what is metal. The main differences are in the use of bass guitar (metal relies on it more), percussion explosions, and usually an increased tempo. Really, you don't think there's a difference in musica elements between Zeppelin's hard stuff and characteristic metal, ie. Metallica and Iron Maiden? The stuff you cited still falls under the second category.

Overall, heavy metal has a kind of grainy sound that blends together and is generally more repetitive, whereas hard rock is closer to classic rock, but with accentuated guitar. A pretty clear indicator of what is and isn't is, more often than not, how the music is packaged (Black Sabbath is responsible for this).

And you want to stop flaming me outright? Sit back and look at your argument without resorting to as many uncreative fallacies as you can possibly think of.

xbow · Post by **xbow** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 8:43 am

Metal is acoustic shit, get over it. If you think it has anything to do with blues, There's no sense of improvisation or slowness to it.

Now thatÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s clearly troll bait. You were also completely wrong on all counts.

The main differences are in the use of bass guitar (metal relies on it more), percussion explosions, and usually an increased tempo. Really, you don't think there's a difference in musica elements between Zeppelin's hard stuff and characteristic metal, ie. Metallica and Iron Maiden? The stuff you cited still falls under the second category.

Another significant difference between the two is that metal is in general played in minor keys while Hard Rock is generally played in major keys. ThatÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s why metal has a darker sound FYI. Hard rock can be as loud and as powerful and just as bass driven as metal but it will have a brighter sound. Of course this is not true in all cases.

If you want to be taken seriously Atoga you must first refrain from making absurd sweeping statements like the one that I quoted. I admit that I was over the top when I cited metal as the best thing since sliced bread but at least I have the ability to admit that I overstated my position.

Heavy Metal has clearly evolved into many different styles. Like you I find most of them to have little or no value to me.

Early Heavy Metal (great)

Progressive Metal (great)

Neo-Classical Metal (its just OK )

Speed metal (IMHO it sucks)

Thrash Metal (Can't get into it)

Death metal (IMHO it sucks)

Grindcore (I Can't stand it)

Glam Metal, Cock Rock, Hair Metal (disgusting in the extreme )

Industrial Metal (I like a few tunes (very few))

Hip Hop Metal or Nu Metal (horrible)

Goth Metal ( pathetic )

There are many other sub genres, and I seem to only like a few of them .

Now, If you want to see someone that comes off like he is the living god of universal knowledge cast an eye in the mirror to see the king.

Later dude.

Nicolai · Post by **Nicolai** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 10:26 pm

So.. Children of Bodom is pretty nifty

Subhuman · Post by **Subhuman** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 10:55 pm

xbow wrote:Now, If you want to see someone that comes off like he is the living god of universal knowledge cast an eye in the mirror to see the king.

Ooh, irony! My favorite.

Blargh · Post by **Blargh** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 8:46 am

I don't know, you might be deriving something worthwhile out of arguing with this cretin, Atoga, but I personally can't see what that might be . . .

Fun times ahead ?

Franz Schubert · Post by **Franz Schubert** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 2:11 pm

I think I'll stick to classical thanks. And no, it's not JUST because I think I'm pseudo-intellectually superior to the metal/rock crowd... I love it. I've got my CD collection of classical up to about 100 CD's so far!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:28 am

atoga wrote:Even prog-metal like Tool isn't that good.

You dont like Tool?

Its a great band, very innovative. Long and advanced compositions, great riffs, perfect vocals, masterfull drums that takes away the crap in the dual peddle technique. They have a great style, non-marketing whore intentions and totally alternative videoes. The lyrics range from totally profound, to simple and agressive. They have atypical input apart of their real music, like some of the tracks on Aenima. Such as the intermission track, the Eier von satan track and message to Harry Manback.

If Tool isnt good, what is? I can never understand why people who generealy like a broad spectre of professional music, also dislike Tool.

Som say they are a copycat band and so on, but I cannot grasp how that can refer to anything in reality. The only bands ive heard that sound like Tool, are bands who copy them and not the other way around.

Also, there is A Perfect Circle... it might not be as original and it sure is alot more streamlined then Tool, but the music is also well composed and well played.

Forty-six & Two · Post by **Forty-six & Two** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:33 am

Ok, the post above was me, and none other then me

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Anyway I dont exactly know why it posted as guest, I logged in just before posting. Well, not much to do about it now.. which really sucks actually, cause theres a few ugly spelling erros in there

.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 12:38 pm

English motherfucker do you speak it ?

Nicolai · Post by **Nicolai** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 1:33 pm

Car Wars 8: Attack of the Guests

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 1:45 pm

S4ur0n27 · Post by **S4ur0n27** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 3:12 pm

:drunk:

Tool rocks.

Forty-six & Two · Post by **Forty-six & Two** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 5:37 pm

Anonymous wrote:English motherfucker do you speak it ?

That wasnt me.

Who was that...?

Edit: Hehe, now I went all out with the Tool theme. Snazzy.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 9:03 pm

We are many, we are one.

Mr. Teatime · Post by **Mr. Teatime** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 9:12 pm

What's up with the guest posts?

Forty-six & Two · Post by **Forty-six & Two** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 9:37 pm

Mr. Teatime wrote:What's up with the guest posts?

Well as I said the first one was by accident, thought I was logged on, but apparently I wasnt.

I have no idea who the second guest post is.

Mr. Teatime · Post by **Mr. Teatime** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 9:42 pm

I was just certain that guest posting was off. I'll have to look at that if guests are allowed to post...

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:20 pm

I'M AN INTARNET TUFFGUY! SO YOU BETTAR WATCH IT!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:21 pm

I like Iron Maiden, they've got some great acoustic measurable tracks, just listen to Genghis Khan in your headphones, acoustic sound! kinda like 3d, but with an extra dimension!