So in the news today (Assault Weapons Ban)

[MurPHy]

Oh yeah. I gave them the benefit of the doubt there. Not gonna do THAT again.

Liberals. Grr.

[xbow]

Full auto hunting in the USA, give me a break! What in hell have some of you guys been smoking to believe that crap?

The fact is that the departments of fish and game of most states have magazine capacity laws for weapons used while hunting. It is perfectly legal to hunt with a semi automatic AR15 or HK 93 but that baby better have a magazine that is blocked or cut down so that the capacity does not exceed five rounds. If you get checked by a game warden and you have a thirty round magazine stuck in that weapon it is gone CONFISCATED. In my state that regulation applies for hunting both game and non game animals.

Also in most States the round the weapon is chambered for must be of sufficient power to hunt the game you bought tags for. Generally for deer the 30-30 Winchester is the minimum, so only cartridges that equal or exceed the energy that the 30-30 puts out are acceptable. In some states it is illegal to hunt Deer with the 5.56mm Nato(.223) and the 7.62 x 39.

let’s compare the 5.56mmNATO, the venerable 30-30, and the Soviet 7.67mm X 39mm AK47 rounds.

.223 Rem. (55 Sp) at the muzzle the bullet is traveling at 3240fps and it is packing 1282 foot pounds of energy. Not bad but that's at the muzzle. At 200yards the shitty Ballistic coefficient of the 5.56 slug has caused it to slow down to 2304 feet per second and now it packs just 648 foot pounds of energy. It has lost 50% of its killing power and the lightweight .22 cal projectile creates a tiny shallow wound channel.

.30-30 Win. (170 FP) is traveling at 2200feet per second and is packing a healthy 1619 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle. At 200 yards it is traveling at 1827 feet per second and delivers 989 foot pounds to the target. The old pill has retained 83% of its velocity and 61% of its killing power and the 170 grain flat nosed projectile creates a would channel that is almost twice as wide and deep as the 5.56mm NATO.

7.62x39 (125 Sp) is traveling at 2365 feet per second and is packing 1552 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle. At 200 yards the projectile is traveling at 1783 feet per second and delivers 882 foot pounds to the target. The Russian pill has retained 75% of its velocity and 56% of its killing power. The 125 grain pointed soft point slug creates a would channel that is wider and much deeper than the pipsqueak 5.56mm NATO. Still it is outlawed for hunting large game in some states.

Do the vast majority of hunters feel oppressed by the state because we can't hunt bear or deer with pipsqueak 5.56mm Nato cartridges or in some sates the 7.62 x39 or have a 30 round magazine sticking out of it FUCK NO we consider regulations like that sane, intelligent, and sporting.

Oh! there are characters (mostly city folk that have never been in the military) that stomp through the woods 'Hunting' while packing HK91's or M14's. These 'warriors' are usually decked out in full military battle dress just like the ARMY Rangers they always wanted to be. As foolish as they are these folks are no threat to our society at all. They hunt a little, take their Assault Rifles to ranges to shoot, and sometimes they enter assault rifle matches to more effectively play GI Joe. They are having fun and in a free society its their business.

Once the shooting stops these accountants, computer programmers, carpenters, and truck drivers go home, and after finger fucking their beloved hardware a little with a bore punch and a rag they put their horrifying Assault Rifles to bed. The bed is usually a 1500 dollar gun safe and to be safe trigger and bolt locks are the rule. Not exactly a bunch of insane Americans ravaging the wild life and populace with Assault Weapons. OH! I am so so scared of them!

Want to know who misuses weapons of all kinds in the USA the most? Why its inner city criminal types that commit 85% of the gun crime in America not the 'Hillbillies' and 'Rednecks' that Euros like to malign so much.

Criminals are immune to weapons bans, they don't obey any laws and they can't buy any gun legally. Does it make any sense to make laws against the ownership of any small arm when only the law abiding citizens will comply with them?

Hilariously the gun rights most law abiding Euros have is just about the same as those granted to convicted felons in the USA....NONE. I guess the real difference is that in the USA the citizens own the government, in Europe the government owns its !!subjects!!.

[Janus Matchell]

Full auto hunting in the USA, give me a break! What in hell have some of you guys been smoking to believe that crap?

The fact is that the departments of fish and game of most states have magazine capacity laws for weapons used while hunting. It is perfectly legal to hunt with a semi automatic AR15 or HK 93 but that baby better have a magazine that is blocked or cut down so that the capacity does not exceed five rounds. If you get checked by a game warden and you have a thirty round magazine stuck in that weapon it is gone CONFISCATED. In my state that regulation applies for hunting both game and non game animals.

Also in most States the round the weapon is chambered for must be of sufficient power to hunt the game you bought tags for. Generally for deer the 30-30 Winchester is the minimum, so only cartridges that equal or exceed the energy that the 30-30 puts out are acceptable. In some states it is illegal to hunt Deer with the 5.56mm Nato(.223) and the 7.62 x 39.

let’s compare the 5.56mmNATO, the venerable 30-30, and the Soviet 7.67mm X 39mm AK47 rounds.

.223 Rem. (55 Sp) at the muzzle the bullet is traveling at 3240fps and it is packing 1282 foot pounds of energy. Not bad but that's at the muzzle. At 200yards the shitty Ballistic coefficient of the 5.56 slug has caused it to slow down to 2304 feet per second and now it packs just 648 foot pounds of energy. It has lost 50% of its killing power and the lightweight .22 cal projectile creates a tiny shallow wound channel.

.30-30 Win. (170 FP) is traveling at 2200feet per second and is packing a healthy 1619 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle. At 200 yards it is traveling at 1827 feet per second and delivers 989 foot pounds to the target. The old pill has retained 83% of its velocity and 61% of its killing power and the 170 grain flat nosed projectile creates a would channel that is almost twice as wide and deep as the 5.56mm NATO.

7.62x39 (125 Sp) is traveling at 2365 feet per second and is packing 1552 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle. At 200 yards the projectile is traveling at 1783 feet per second and delivers 882 foot pounds to the target. The Russian pill has retained 75% of its velocity and 56% of its killing power. The 125 grain pointed soft point slug creates a would channel that is wider and much deeper than the pipsqueak 5.56mm NATO. Still it is outlawed for hunting large game in some states.

Do the vast majority of hunters feel oppressed by the state because we can't hunt bear or deer with pipsqueak 5.56mm Nato cartridges or in some sates the 7.62 x39 or have a 30 round magazine sticking out of it FUCK NO we consider regulations like that sane, intelligent, and sporting.

Oh! there are characters (mostly city folk that have never been in the military) that stomp through the woods 'Hunting' while packing HK91's or M14's. These 'warriors' are usually decked out in full military battle dress just like the ARMY Rangers they always wanted to be. As foolish as they are these folks are no threat to our society at all. They hunt a little, take their Assault Rifles to ranges to shoot, and sometimes they enter assault rifle matches to more effectively play GI Joe. They are having fun and in a free society its their business.

Once the shooting stops these accountants, computer programmers, carpenters, and truck drivers go home, and after finger fucking their beloved hardware a little with a bore punch and a rag they put their horrifying Assault Rifles to bed. The bed is usually a 1500 dollar gun safe and to be safe trigger and bolt locks are the rule. Not exactly a bunch of insane Americans ravaging the wild life and populace with Assault Weapons. OH! I am so so scared of them!

Want to know who misuses weapons of all kinds in the USA the most? Why its inner city criminal types that commit 85% of the gun crime in America not the 'Hillbillies' and 'Rednecks' that Euros like to malign so much.

Criminals are immune to weapons bans, they don't obey any laws and they can't buy any gun legally. Does it make any sense to make laws against the ownership of any small arm when only the law abiding citizens will comply with them?

Hilariously the gun rights most law abiding Euros have is just about the same as those granted to convicted felons in the USA....NONE. I guess the real difference is that in the USA the citizens own the government, in Europe the government owns its !!subjects!!.

Christ Xbox ain't that the truth my friend tried to attack the lifting of the gun ban, So far I have managed to prove him wrong which pisses him off that his liberal pussy ass views have gotten him no where. In fact as xbow said criminals are immune to anti gun legislation because they have guns anyways. Trust I live two blocks away from our ghetto and people get killed there almost every week. Most of my neighbors have a firearm of some sort as the cops are not the quickest to respond to calls coming from our neighborhood. My uncle is going through the process of getting himself an AK-47 for home defense and we have since gotten a 12 gauge shotgun because of the amount of burglaries. So far we feel safe and we always keep the gun loaded and ready to be used. Here pretty soon I am going to buy an assault rifle may be an AR-15 or a M-16. Either way crime sucks and we it needs to be eliminated. Most of the crimes caused here where I live are caused by junkies or homeless that lost their jobs. Our economy is shit and it shows it here even though new businesses came to town (mind you all these new businesses are located in the suburbs and no where near the ghetto). Really I wish there was more work so crime would decline again like it did for for awhile.

[fallout ranger]

criminals are criminals, they'd rather steal a gun than obey the law, making gun registration too keep guns away from criminals.........pointless.

[airsoft guy]

When I took my hunter safety course they told us that with a rifle we could have as many shots in the gun we wanted. We could go out in the woods and hunt deer and other big game with 30 round magazines if we could fin them. Same goes with varmint hunting, that's where it's a lot more useful to have lots of ammo in the gun.

Shotguns are the big thing though, I don't rememebr how many it was for hunting big game but I think it might have the same rules as rifles, but don't hold me to that. If you're hunting birds then you are limited to three trounds in the gun. If a game warden comes along and asks to see your shotgun and finds that you don't have a plug in it or the wrong legnth plug another one of those $10,000 fines comes your way along with a banning from hunting.

But just because I can hunt with a 30 round magazine doesn't mean many people do. As said before it's usually a couch comando that gets off on pretending he's stalking Charlie while making noise in the woods.

[xbow]

For Varmints especially running coyotes I see nothing wrong with a 30 round magazine(sounds like fun to me). That would be some good sport taking them on the run with an AR15 would be a blast.

For Coyotes and wild dogs (coydogs)I most often use a 1896 enfield single shot Peabody Martini rifle. The rifle has been upgraded with al 24inch long Heavy Varmint weight barrel, a custom stock, and 3 x 9 Redfield scope. The weapon is chambered for 7 x 30 Waters Ackley improved cartridge. I normally use the nearly explosive 100 grain Hornady TNT Hollow point bullets that at 2750fps deliver a gratifying 'whap' and instant death to these nasty little pricks.



Whats that? a crazy American gun nut bastard NOT using a gatling gun to shoot little furry things??

[Kashluk]

Hilariously the gun rights most law abiding Euros have is just about the same as those granted to convicted felons in the USA....NONE. I guess the real difference is that in the USA the citizens own the government, in Europe the government owns its !!subjects!!.

I see. And somehow it seems Americans are the ones bitching, not Europeans. Even though we are "only subjects owned by the government", we have nothing to complain, 'cuz lfie is good & smooth.

I smell a whole big piece of bigotry and bullshit in that kind of thinking. Granted, it's only a counter-attack against my general anti-Americanism seen earlier, but it's still all shit.

[airsoft guy]

Just because life is good and smooth doesn't mean it's okay to be a subject. Of course that's from my point of view as an American. We have long distrust of the government and those who choose to rule over us. It's a good thing because it prevents them from going bananas and fucking us over too much.

[Kashluk]

Nobody chooses to rule over us. This isn't the "American dynasty". We elect our own rulers, the way we want things to go. There are no long blood-lines of families and clans that make the shit hit the fan decade after another.

We WANTED gun regulation. We GOT gun regulation. We are HAPPY with gun regulation. Ditto. It has nothing to do with "oppressive European governments" while the American dream is supposedly lived on the other side of the Atlantic with never-ending happiness and joy.

That's what struck me. That's all.

[Retlaw83]

We WANTED gun regulation. We GOT gun regulation. We are HAPPY with gun regulation. Ditto. It has nothing to do with "oppressive European governments" while the American dream is supposedly lived on the other side of the Atlantic with never-ending happiness and joy.

We don't want gun regulation. We didn't get too much gun regulation. We are happy without a lot of gun regulation. This is so that an old-style oppressive European government, ala the Imperial British, will never be able to interfere with our American dream too much.

While happiness and joy may be the pinnacle of the American dream, those two things are defined differently from person to person, and besides, that's not the essence of the American dream. The "American dream" in its present incarnation developed shortly after World War II, and during that time the U.S. was a place where you could succeed or fail entirely on your own merits. This differed drastically from Soviet Russia, a rebuilding France, an utterly conquered Germany and many other places.

And if you think about it, in a democracy politicians do decide if they want to rule over us, as evidenced by the fact that there is always fierce competition for candidacies. However, the voters get to choose which one of the people wanting to rule them gets to rule them.