Fallout: Number 10

Post by **King of Creation** » Sun Feb 27, 2005 5:28 pm

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In
the latest edition, <a href="http://www.pcgamer.com/">PCGamer
Magazine</a> posted their list of The Best 50 Games
of All Time. Fallout, previously
number 4 on
that list, has dropped to number 10! While that may be a
travesty, there is still some good news! Our very own
Ernesto was quoted in the article:
<blockquote>Seriously,
you could cut this game's atmosphere with a knife. I remember walking
out of Vault 13, running for my life away from the rats, and finally
seeing sunlight "for the first time." It was a small moment that didn't
impact the gameplay, but...[these little details] made Fallout
brilliant.

<a href="http://www.duckandcover.cx/gallery/disp ... -677"><img border="0" src="http://www.duckandcover.cx/gallery/albu ... tgames.jpg" alt="Fallout Article" /></a>

</blockquote>Of course, Half Life
is number 1. I don't
have the magazine, so I would love it if someone could send along a
scan or a description of the whole Top 10 so we can see what obviously
overrated games knocked off Fallout. In the
meantime, though, I suggest you go an make a hullaballoo over in <a href="http://www.pcgamer.com/forum/viewtopic. ... rt=0">this
thread</a> at the <a href="http://www.pcgamer.com/">PCGamer</a> forums (which is
where you can also read Ernesto's original
post.)

<blockquote> </blockquote>
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Ernesto · Post by **Ernesto** » Sun Feb 27, 2005 7:29 pm

Here is my full post I sent to the PCG US forums:

Ernesto wrote:Fallout I: A Post-Nuclear RPG.

Seriously, you could cut this game's atmosphere with a knife. I remember walking out of Vault 13, running for my life away from the rats, and finally seeing sunlight "for the first time." It was a small moment that didn't impact the gameplay but that what made Fallout so cool. It was the little things that made Fallout brilliant.

I enjoyed the morality of Fallout and the freedom of it. It was great how I could piss anyone off, hit a kid in the groin with a crowbar, join the local wasteland raiders and come home for dinner and a round of bedroom adventures. You could be a villain, hero and just a bad ass mofo.

The combat in Fallout is probably one of the best examples of Turn-Based gameplay. It was simple but elegant. Not to mention that character creation and development was extremely freeform thanks to the SPECIAL System. You literally could play Fallout anyway you wanted to: sneak, bribe, plant an explosive in the guy's inventory, blast the crap with a minigun and so on and so forth.

I remember how cool it was to see The Master/Richard Grey. Confronting him, you learn of his plans to unify the Californian wastelands. What was the killer though, was convincing The Master that his plan was flawed. If you suceeded convincing him, The Master kills himself.

You kick the final boss' ass without firing a bullet, Jules Winnfeld style.

With all of these qualities and an infamous ending, Fallout is indeed one of the best goddamn games ever. It's a must play for ANY RPG fan.

Post by **Alexander** » Sun Feb 27, 2005 8:04 pm

I like the concept of quoting oneself...

Mr. Teatime · Post by **Mr. Teatime** » Sun Feb 27, 2005 8:05 pm

Mr. Teatime wrote:So do i roflol

Fez · Post by **Fez** » Sun Feb 27, 2005 9:07 pm

I am sure that puts the balance of the universe in danger.

S4ur0n27 · Post by **S4ur0n27** » Sun Feb 27, 2005 9:53 pm

he's a celeb lol

Ernesto · Post by **Ernesto** » Sun Feb 27, 2005 9:56 pm

As long as I don't toss any childrens' salads, I should be fine.

Spazmo · Post by **Spazmo** » Sun Feb 27, 2005 11:37 pm

PC Gamer: number 2, a big steaming pile thereof.

Mr. Teatime · Post by **Mr. Teatime** » Sun Feb 27, 2005 11:51 pm

I agree. The only PC Gamer worth reading is PC Gamer UK, and even then, it sometimes gets it wrong. Stick to objective, unbiased sites like DAC and RPG Codex.

S4ur0n27 · Post by **S4ur0n27** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 1:07 am

Why would you read a gaming magazine anyway?

Naked_Lunch · Post by **Naked_Lunch** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 1:16 am

To laugh at them?

Mr. Teatime · Post by **Mr. Teatime** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 1:18 am

Something like that. I read them whilst eating breakfast...hmm.

Naked_Lunch · Post by **Naked_Lunch** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 1:35 am

I read them (sometimes) whilst I'm in the loo. Mainly CGW. It's passable for a magazine, whereas PC Gamer is horrendous, especially when it comes to RPG which for them means hack and slash and MMORPG.

Stainless · Post by **Stainless** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:29 am

I have gaming mags for pretty much toilet reading. It also means there's something worthless on hand if the paper ever runs out.

Post by **King of Creation** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:33 am

Well...here's the complete list

1. Half-Life
2. Doom
3. Sid Meier's Civilization II
4. Half-Life 2
5. Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness
6. Diablo
7. Starcraft
8. X-Com Enemy Unknown
9. Battlefield 1942
10. Fallout
11. Baldur's Gate
12. Grand Theft Auto 3
13. Star Wars: Tie Fighter
14. Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon
15. Duke Nukem 3D
16. Diablo II
17. Command and Conquer: Red Alert
18. Far Cry
19. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
20. Call of Duty
21. Star Wars: Jedi Knight - Dark Forces 2
22. Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six
23. The Sims
24. EverQuest
25. Heros of Might and Magic III
26. Quake
27. Deus Ex
28. Need for Speed: Porsche Unleashed
29. SimCity 2000
30. Unreal Tournoment 2004
31. Mechwarrior 2
32. Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar
33. The Beast Within: A Gabriel Knight Mystery
34. Total Annihilation
35. Neverwinter Nights
36. Rise of Nations
37. Tomb Raider
38. Beavis and Butthead in Virtual Stupidity
39. System Shock 2
40. IL-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles
41. Max Payne
42. Panzer General
43. High Heat Major League Baseball 2002
44. Master of Orion
45. Sam and Max hit the road
46. Homeworld
47. Worms Armageddon
48. Wing Commander III
49. The Secret of Monkey Island
50. Freedom Force

Fallout is drastically better than Battlefirled and X-Com...it should easily be in the top 5 according to this list.

ANd Half Life 2 should not be on the list at all, neither should ghost recon, beavis and butthead in virtual stupidity, and high heat major league baseball 2002.

atoga · Post by **atoga** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:40 am

Can't you people read, like, a normal magazine on the john or something? Gaming mags are so uninteresting, and I don't think they're conducive to bathroom activities, either, so what's the point, really?

Blargh · Post by **Blargh** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:10 am

Oh I don't know atoga, given the dubious quality of many gaming magazines, they could have a medically cathartic effect easily and consistently, no ?

Entorwellian · Post by **Entorwellian** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:14 am

King of Creation wrote: Fallout is drastically better than Battlefirled and X-Com...it should easily be in the top 5 according to this list.

Battlefield yes. X-Com, not 'drastically'. Although it was a follow-up to Laser Squad 2's design, the whole Geoscape interface, turn based combat, economics system, replayability, alien marauders and gameplay have yet to be bested. Fallout is quite high up there, but X-Com is about on par with Fallout. They're both great games!

Spazmo · Post by **Spazmo** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:43 am

When I'm in the shitter, my focus exclusively resides upon the shitting. I've never understood how people could read in there. Maybe my shits are just more urgent and demanding than the median, but damn it, I have to stay on target.

And there's TONS of games on that list that don't belong, for reason too numerous to list at this hour. Some are really great and there's a few games I'm glad to see there, but half of it reads like an honour roll for mediocrity. Ghost Recon? What the hell?

atoga · Post by **atoga** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:03 am

38. Beavis and Butthead in Virtual Stupidity

Huh?