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I always get a kick out of those secret weapons of World War II
programs
and other strange stuff you can't find in the history books. This one
comes from <strong>Rainer Karlsch</strong>, a German historian, who
claims the Nazis
successfully tested
a small atomic bomb towards the end of the war. Here's a few snippets
from the <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4348497.stm" target="_blank">article</a>:<blockquote><em>He said
the last test,
carried out in Thuringia on 3 March 1945, destroyed an area of about
500 sq m - killing several hundred prisoners of war and concentration
camp inmates.
We haven't heard about this before because only small groups of
scientists were involved, and a lot of the documents were classified
after they were captured by the Allies," said Karlsch.
"I found documents in Russian and Western archives, as well as in private German ones."
One of these is a memo from a Russian spy, brought to the attention of
Stalin just days after the last test. It cites "reliable sources" as
reporting "two huge explosions" on the night of 3
March.</em></blockquote>Scary stuff. So <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4348497.stm" target="_blank">read on</a>.
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So...Hitler had a nuke
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No, he didn't. Nazi Germany was involved in atomic weapons research during the war, but historic documents as well as interrogation of scientific personnel showed that they were far behind American efforts.
If the alleged "documents" that the historian has seen are real, then they show evidence to the contrary of what the official statement of United States was at the time, meaning that they would have to be classified. And if they were only recently declassified, don't you think that kind of sensational information would show up in the news or get their way into respectable books written on the subject (crackpot theorists' work exluded)?
If the alleged "documents" that the historian has seen are real, then they show evidence to the contrary of what the official statement of United States was at the time, meaning that they would have to be classified. And if they were only recently declassified, don't you think that kind of sensational information would show up in the news or get their way into respectable books written on the subject (crackpot theorists' work exluded)?
The news doesn't usually do much other than report stuff. They are supposed to give a balanced viewpoint and putting in bias and facts for him would be bad. It is sensational and it has appeared in the news now. That's what I meant. The news isn't supposed to go and give supporting facts. That would be biased reporting and opinions.
We'll have to wait and see if the expert opinion weighs in behind this guy or against him in the future, I guess that is what you meant originally. Confirmation of it being undeniably true; and that being reported, rather than just someone's claim or theory.
We'll have to wait and see if the expert opinion weighs in behind this guy or against him in the future, I guess that is what you meant originally. Confirmation of it being undeniably true; and that being reported, rather than just someone's claim or theory.
The Nazis were very interested in making nukes. That's one of the reasons why they invaded Norway (by the way, that was the first time in history that an agressor attacked by land, sea and air, all at the same time).
One of the main components for making nukes is heavy water, and Hitler desperately wanted to get a hold of the heavy-water reactor at Rjukan, Norway. But after he claimed it, Norwegian guerillas made their way through it's defenses and blew the whole thing up to thwart Hitler's efforts.
Just a small historical tidbit for you guys
One of the main components for making nukes is heavy water, and Hitler desperately wanted to get a hold of the heavy-water reactor at Rjukan, Norway. But after he claimed it, Norwegian guerillas made their way through it's defenses and blew the whole thing up to thwart Hitler's efforts.
Just a small historical tidbit for you guys
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MY BRAIN has not been preserved by chemical or refrigerant means, so my memory is shadowy about the Nazi Nuke research.
The top Teutonic whiz kid was famous in the founding of Quantum Theory. He was credited in making the 'guess-timation' that an A Bomb would be too big, too heavy to deliver. The limited Uranium they had would be better used for reactor research.
True or false. Speculation or spin.
It's interesting that the alleged
(March 3rd 1945) 'device' may have been a dud, and thus a de-facto 'first', the 'first' dirty bomb.
Still, one would think that enough residual radiation would be evidence enough, unless there are CONSPIRACY claims that the Soviets salted the site, or that the Chernobyl meltdown has ""muddied"" the waters.
Don't let HARD evidence get in the way of a good yarn.
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MY BRAIN has not been preserved by chemical or refrigerant means, so my memory is shadowy about the Nazi Nuke research.
The top Teutonic whiz kid was famous in the founding of Quantum Theory. He was credited in making the 'guess-timation' that an A Bomb would be too big, too heavy to deliver. The limited Uranium they had would be better used for reactor research.
True or false. Speculation or spin.
It's interesting that the alleged
(March 3rd 1945) 'device' may have been a dud, and thus a de-facto 'first', the 'first' dirty bomb.
Still, one would think that enough residual radiation would be evidence enough, unless there are CONSPIRACY claims that the Soviets salted the site, or that the Chernobyl meltdown has ""muddied"" the waters.
Don't let HARD evidence get in the way of a good yarn.
4too
Re: So...Hitler had a nuke
Sounds like mudslinging to me...97 wrote:<strong>[Community -> Article]</strong><br /><br />I always get a kick out of those secret weapons of World War II
programs
and other strange stuff you can't find in the history books. This one
comes from <strong>Rainer Karlsch</strong>, a German historian, who
claims the Nazis
successfully tested
a small atomic bomb towards the end of the war. Here's a few snippets
from the <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4348497.stm" target="_blank">article</a>:<blockquote><em>He said
the last test,
carried out in Thuringia on 3 March 1945, destroyed an area of about
500 sq m - killing several hundred prisoners of war and concentration
camp inmates.<br />
<br />
We haven't heard about this before because only small groups of
scientists were involved, and a lot of the documents were classified
after they were captured by the Allies," said Karlsch.<br />
<br />
"I found documents in Russian and Western archives, as well as in private German ones."<br />
<br />
One of these is a memo from a Russian spy, brought to the attention of
Stalin just days after the last test. It cites "reliable sources" as
reporting "two huge explosions" on the night of 3
March.</em></blockquote>Scary stuff. So <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4348497.stm" target="_blank">read on</a>.<br /><br /><br />Spotted @ <a href="http://www.dailyrotten.com/">Daily Rotten</a>
There are no 'knowns'. There are thing we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know. So when we do the best we can and we pull all this information together, and we then say well that's basically what we see as the situation, that is really only the known knowns and the known unknowns. And each year, we discover a few more of those unknown unknowns.
Speaking of dirty bombs...
Also shown on one of the history channels... Japan was working with Germany to deliver dirty bombs on US soil. IIRC, Japan was to receive the nuclear waste (?) material from Germany, which was enroute. This was being delivered by sub, whose captain later surrendered the sub and its contents to the US. Japan had blimps (?) poised to launch that would deliver the radioactive material.
Timing was everything. The war with Germany was over, they had surrendered. The sub-captain was initially uncertain, as to how to proceed. The blimps were only waiting for the sub to deliver the goods. Had Germany not surrendered when it did; had the Nagasaki and Hiroshima nukes been delayed, the blimp attack would most likely have succeded.
Also shown on one of the history channels... Japan was working with Germany to deliver dirty bombs on US soil. IIRC, Japan was to receive the nuclear waste (?) material from Germany, which was enroute. This was being delivered by sub, whose captain later surrendered the sub and its contents to the US. Japan had blimps (?) poised to launch that would deliver the radioactive material.
Timing was everything. The war with Germany was over, they had surrendered. The sub-captain was initially uncertain, as to how to proceed. The blimps were only waiting for the sub to deliver the goods. Had Germany not surrendered when it did; had the Nagasaki and Hiroshima nukes been delayed, the blimp attack would most likely have succeded.
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The Japanese also perfected a device called a "plague bomb" that they succesfully tested on their own people. It was simply a casing containing millions of bubonic plague-bearing fleas, and one was scheduled to be dropped on San Francisco. However, the bombing of Nagasaki three days before the planned attack made them reconsider.
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That's one of the many secret weapons the US had in Vietnam.Retlaw83 wrote:The Japanese also perfected a device called a "plague bomb" that they succesfully tested on their own people. It was simply a casing containing millions of bubonic plague-bearing fleas, and one was scheduled to be dropped on San Francisco. However, the bombing of Nagasaki three days before the planned attack made them reconsider.
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The Japanese had abunch of weird programs in WWII. One that I know of was when they released balloons with bombs tied to them (well the equavilant there of) and let them float over to the U.S. Needless to say, most were defective, duds, didn't work, destroyed in weather, etc. I think the only ACTUAL casualities from this program was from this family having a picnic in the woods and finding one the bombs. Ofcourse they had to mess with it and it blew up.
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An area of 500sq m translates into a blast radius of 12-13 meters. There were plenty of bombs in WW2 that had blast radius equal to or larger than that, a lot cheaper than a tactical nuke too. Today, there are artillery shells with a blast radius that large.
Sounds like this is a little unrealistic.
Sounds like this is a little unrealistic.
Just a thought....
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