Jagged Alliance goes real time - what not to do, Bethesda

Mr. Teatime · Post by **Mr. Teatime** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 11:08 pm

[Game -> Update] - More info on <a href="http://wikipocalypse.duckandcover.cx/in ... tle=Jagged Alliance 3D">Game: Jagged Alliance 3D</a> | More info on <a href="http://wikipocalypse.duckandcover.cx/in ... title=Mist Land South">Company: Mist Land South</a>

This isn't strictly to do with Fallout, but I thought since Jagged Alliance's
turn-based combat is often compared to that in Fallout 1 and 2, this
was newsworthy. It seems that in a cash-in-quick move, the latest Jagged
Alliance game, Jagged Alliance 3D (which is being developed by <a href="http://www.mistgames.ru/eng/main.shtml" target="_self">Mist Land South</a> who've made some pretty bad games in the past, like <a href="http://www.polgame.com/eng/" target="_self">COPS 2170: The Power of Law</a>), is going to be real-time-with-pause.
Straight from the <a target="_self" href="http://www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/board. ... 136">press release</a>:

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Main features runs-down:

1. Jagged Alliance, but in 3D (the game has been developed based on the well-known brand)

<blockquote>1. Skinned mesh animation with animation blending

2. Grass fields rendering

3. Optimized tree rendering system

4. SSE and HT support

5. Many-storied buildings

6. DX 9</blockquote>

1. Recognizable charismatic persons (the game uses mercenaries from previous JA titles)

2. Thrilling campaign with a lot of various missions


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3. Real-time gameplay with pause
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4. High interactivity of levels (destructible objects)

5. A lot of various weapons

6. Mercenaries are raising their parameters during gameplay

<blockquote>1. Using JA role-playing system</blockquote>

7. Various mission objectives

<blockquote>1. Destroy all enemies

2. Destroy specific enemies</blockquote>

8. Visual variety of battlefield theaters (mountains, plains, towns, beaches, etc...)

<blockquote>1. Mountains

2. Plains

3. Towns

4. Beaches</blockquote>

9. Various difficulty settings – from casual to hardcore.

<blockquote>1. Easy (enemies ain't accurate)

2. Normal (enemies have normal accuracy)

3. Hard (enemies are very accurate)</blockquote>

10. Gameplay is dynamic and not turning into a boring routine

<blockquote>12. Ja2 interface (ui), adopted for real-time mode</blockquote>

12. JA2 20 missions (Campaign)

<blockquote>1. 12 core missions

2. 8 additional missions</blockquote>

13. 12 unique enemies' models (unique models can be modified by various heads, headwear, weapons)

14. 30 unique mercenaries (12 unique models, which are modified by
skin color, unique heads, unique hairs, and other details)

15. 3 tile sets, which are used to create buildings (town, country, military)

16. More than 100 large unique objects for levels (from cruiser to tub, from hangar to toilet)

17. More than 40 kinds of flora (4 unique nature zones: mountains, plains, beaches, jungle)

18. More than 100 kinds of furniture (office, military, town, country, palace)
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Wasn't Jagged Alliance all about the unique combat? Oh
well. I won't be buying it, and I can't see the game selling with what
is a pretty big sellout, especially for a game founded on its
turn-based combat. Note to Bethesda: please don't do this to Fallout 3.
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Spotted @ <a href="http://www.rpgcodex.com">RPG Codex</a>

S4ur0n27 · Post by **S4ur0n27** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 11:31 pm

wrote: 7. Various mission objectives

1. Destroy all enemies
2. Destroy specific enemies

Woah! Revolutionary!!

wrote:13. 12 unique enemies' models
17. More than 40 kinds of flora
18. More than 100 kinds of furniture

That reminds me of the game which it's PR marketed as the MMORPG with hundreds of thousands of trees.

It's kind of unbalanced.

I'm still amazed to see game developpers still forget that there's is no use for a game with beautiful graphic but unplayable gameplay.

Haris · Post by **Haris** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 11:50 pm

Man i love Jaged Alliance and this is just sad.

Fez · Post by **Fez** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 12:36 am

Posted on the Codex:

EDIT: A Strategy First rep says the article is wrong and that JA3D and JA3 are both going to be turn-based.

http://www.strategyfirst.com/forum/cgi/ ... 7;t=000134

"Wow, what is that again?

I often said that JA is a turn based game and that there is no plan right now to turn out a real-time JA game. Will there ever be one? Maybe but not with 3D and not with 3.

Now, if everybody keep on insisting that it should be real-time, perhaps I could change my mind"

Fez · Post by **Fez** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 1:23 am

More here:

http://www.rpgcodex.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=6940

Wolfman Walt · Post by **Wolfman Walt** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 1:42 am

Minor note - This is just Jagged Alliance 3-d. Not to be confused with Jagged Alliance 3 which will still be turned based. Think of it kinda like the BOS of the JA world.

Edit - Which ofcourse Fez basically beat me to in saying.

Post by **Retlaw83** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 1:57 am

What's up with game developers and trying to push the limits of tree rendering technology?

Fez · Post by **Fez** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 2:14 am

They're trying to appeal to the huge tree-fetish market.

S4ur0n27 · Post by **S4ur0n27** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 2:39 am

But what about the CANDLESTICKS?? Morrowind had plenty, but what about their FUTURE?

Blargh · Post by **Blargh** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 3:48 am

I hope they get their experimental urges regarding pacing out of their systems with this particular title. I'll be quite upset if for whatever gormless reason(s) it carries over to J3.

Mad Max RW · Post by **Mad Max RW** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 4:07 am

Bethesda keeping Fallout 3 turnbased is a lost cause and you all know it.

S4ur0n27 · Post by **S4ur0n27** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 2:07 pm

Let us hope, for that is all we have left.

taltiren · Post by **taltiren** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 4:17 pm

Just look at all of Bethesda's games. They're all First person or third person camera chase. There's no reason to believe they'll make their first topdown game or that it will be good if they do. Fallout 3 will be RT, in my opinion, but it still could be good. I am a turn based Fallout purist, but it's really up to the fans now to keep the old Fallout alive.

Octotron · Post by **Octotron** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 5:38 pm

Another big part of JA2 is the free-form nature. It's not mission based.
Go where you want and fight who you want on your way to the ultimate objective. There's a whole country full of interesting locations.

The FOT way is not the way to go. It will not be JA if its really mission-based and you just get dropped into another new map every time.

Blargh · Post by **Blargh** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 6:07 pm

Next they'll mention their disposal of the simple economic factors of the game(s), citing greater accessibility or some such rot.

CONTRACT HARD-AS-NAILS MERCENARIES WITH PROMISSORY BOUNCING CHEQUES AND HOME BAKED BISCUITS ! THEY'RE AN UNDERSTANDING BUNCH AND TIMES ARE DIFFICULT FOR EVERYONE ! MMMMMM, BISCUITS !

POOPERSCOOPER · Post by **POOPERSCOOPER** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 7:47 pm

If they do RT they better make its like a tactical shooter or something. Strategy with the depth of JA in realtime would be a nightmare to control. Same applies to FO3, if your going to go one way just go all the way and not try to capture both worlds.

Raymondo · Post by **Raymondo** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 1:33 am

I thought Jagged Alliance 3D and 3 got cancelled or something?

LlamaGod · Post by **LlamaGod** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:15 am

Cops 2170 was good, you stupid swell guy.

Put Paradise Cracked.

LlamaGod · Post by **LlamaGod** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:16 am

Cops 2170 was good, you stupid swell guy.

Put Paradise Cracked.

LlamaGod · Post by **LlamaGod** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:17 am

Cops 2170 was good, you stupid swell guy.

Put Paradise Cracked.