Fallout Bible issues, Volume #1

[Saint_Proverbius]

2072 - The United States' increasing demand for Canadian resources causes protests and riots in several Canadian cities. An attempted sabotage attempt of the Alaskan pipeline is all the military needs as an excuse to begin its annexation of Canada... which in fact, had already begun in 2067.

2076 - The United States annexation of Canada is complete. Canadian protestors and rioters are shot on sight, and the Alaskan Pipeline swarms with American military units. Pictures of atrocities make their way to the United States, causing further unrest and protests.

<MrCarrot> in fallout do you reckon the americans took 10 years to anex canada?
<TimCain> I alwasy thought Canada fell quickly, Mr Carrot

Furthermore, there's examples in Fallout and Fallout 2 stating it didn't take 10 years.

No points for Chris Avellone this round.

<MrCarrot> was canada a.taken as a result of the chinese attack b.anexed shortly before the attack for resources or c. annexed because the canadians kept bombing thealaskan oil fields
<TimCain> I would guess B
<Saint_Proverbius> That's what the Fallout intro says.
<MrCarrot> as per the fallout 1 intro

So, obviously, what Chris Avellone has about 2072 is bunk in more ways than one.

No points for MCA here either.

2077 January 2 - The first domestic use of Power Armor within the United States for crowd and quarantine control. Units originally serving in China and the Anchorage Front Line find themselves fighting Americans at home. Food riots increase, and many civilians are killed. Several soldiers defect from the military both in Canada and the United States. They are captured, and are sent to military prisons.

<MrCarrot> also would you describe us society in 2076 pre war as idylic 50s nuclear family style or riot ridden den of fear and loathing
<Saint_Proverbius> Yeah
<TimCain> Uh, the first one
<Saint_Proverbius> Sweet

So, you can have the 1950s sensibility that exists all through Fallout, or the quasi-Judge Dredd style MegaCity rioting. Which fits Fallout more?

No points for MCA!

2060 - Traffic on the streets of the world stops moving. Fuel becomes too precious to waste on automobiles, so alternatives are explored - electric and fusion cars begin to be manufactured, but factories can only make limited amounts. Pressure on fusion research increases.

<MrCarrot> and another multichoice question, a.fusion was discovered sometime in the 20th centuary b.fusion was discovered in the early 21st 2000-2030 and fusion technolagy advanced at a rapid rate or c.fusion tech was discovered in the 2050s and fusion tech washard to produce yet within 20 years managed to intergrate itself on the eve of a nuclearholocaust into everyday life
<MrCarrot> a b or z ve hav vays of making you talk ja!
<TimCain> I am thinking MR C. Ok, none of the above really
<MrCarrot> oooh er
<Saint_Proverbius> Chris Taylor said 1970s.
<TimCain> Fusion was easy to do at a small scale, but didnt scale up well
<TimCain> So it was discovered early but petrol and plutonium was still needed
<TimCain> Fusion did not displace them
<Saint_Proverbius> Neat

Again, no points for MCA!

Disclaimer: Of course, MCA is in charge of Fallout stuff at BIS, and Tim Cain isn't. So, basically, what MCA says pretty much goes.. No matter how fucking retarded and inconsistant it is with the views of the guy who created it.

[Mr Carrot]

dont show this to tim he will run away again!

[Deathy]

Oh, I bet Tim loves the attention.

[Mr Carrot]

<MrCarrot> this is more important, were trying to prevent game universe genocide
* TimCain shakes his head
* TimCain has quit IRC
<Saint_Proverbius> hah
<Wojit> See. That's what you get.
<MrCarrot> oh fuck
* skwerly would throw rotten vegetables at carrot for that, but.. well..
<Saint_Proverbius> That's okay, I have his email.
<MrCarrot> spank my arse and call me charlie

[Spazmo]

Yeah, I guess I agree with the 50's style nuclear family etc. deal just before the war since the Fallout intro movie reeks of 50's style. The Corvega (now that's a car!), the newsreel, the model of TV, the fact that it was in black and white...

Say, about the Corvega, anyone remember what powered it? Was it gasoline or fusion powered?

[Saint_Proverbius]

Gas, judging by the engine. In the used car encounter, I'm pretty sure they bring up, "Where would you find gas for that corvega?" also.

[Rosh]

Gas.

Full analog system.
No electronics.
No computers.

From the Fo1 intro. 8)

[VasikkA]

MCA posting stuff about Fallout 1 & 2 development stuff, game design ideas, game secrets etc. in the bible is OK. But he should first discuss matters about the fallout universe with people who originally created fallout idea, fallout community and others with a knowledge what fallout really is rather than dictating how things are. I'm sure there's more flaws in FOB than the examples above and it would be really good to discuss about them and possibly make changes, changes everyone agrees to and are satisfied with.

[DJ Slamák]

Well, the Corvega might just be a special collectors' model.

[HanoverF]

So... with the exception of the design document stuff, he's just pulling this bible stuff outta his ass?

[Mr Carrot]

Its kinda like hes not actually played fo1 or 2 or read the logs.......

[Saint_Proverbius]

Gas.

Full analog system.
No electronics.
No computers.

From the Fo1 intro. 8)

Well, it could still be electric and not electronic.

That big jet engine looking thing in the front pretty much rules out that though.

[Saint_Proverbius]

So... with the exception of the design document stuff, he's just pulling this bible stuff outta his ass?

There's a funny quote that Killian noticed in the Fallout 2 list of developer quotes where MCA said, "Don't always believe what you read in a design document." It's pretty funny he said that given the screw ups made in Fallout 2 that were changes from the original design.

Remember, in the original version of the Fallout Bible, he said that Mariposa, Lost Hills, and West-Tek were originally called, "Base Omega", "Base Alpha", and "Base Gamma". Not only did he pull that "information" out of his ass, that's about as unimaginative as it gets.

[VasikkA]

Remember, in the original version of the Fallout Bible, he said that Mariposa, Lost Hills, and West-Tek were originally called, "Base Omega", "Base Alpha", and "Base Gamma". Not only did he pull that "information" out of his ass, that's about as unimaginative as it gets.

That has to be one of the oldest clichés in the history of gaming, there must be a 'greek alphabet' booklet in every game designers drawer.

[The Shrike]

That has to be one of the oldest clichés in the history of gaming, there must be a 'greek alphabet' booklet in every game designers drawer.

Must Be as Fallout Tactics used the greek alphabet for the names of the BOS bases.

[Saint_Proverbius]

Must Be as Fallout Tactics used the greek alphabet for the names of the BOS bases.

Judging by the Fallout Bible, Fallout Tactics is where MCA gets his ideas on tweaking the Fallout Bible.

• Naming bases Greek letters
• NCR Car Platoons
• BOS making bunkers from scratch
• Why Deathclaws should be hairy

Isn't it lovely?

[Spazmo]

Now that you mention it, there are similarities. Conincidence? I think not. Maybe MCA had to play too much FOT during it's development cycle and his brain subsequently became a mushy paste.

[VasikkA]

There's a connection between FOB and FOT. It sounds more like MCA trying to explain the faults FOT brought up in the fallout universe instead of ignoring it.

[Doyle]

I don't think he's trying to legitimize FOT, I just think he's using the same faulty thinking.

[Saint_Proverbius]

Oh, yeah, there's also food riots in Fallout Tactics and the Fallout Bible, which goes against the grain of handling the Great War in a similar fashion to World War 2.

Anyone think that the news reel style war promos would have worked when there's been a few decades of rioting over food?