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'Instant Death' Criticals

Posted: Mon May 26, 2003 3:40 am
by I Must Be Crazy 2
Just one small observation about fighting deathclaws:

I noticed that when fighting deathclaws, even the lesser deathclaws, they never seem to die by an 'instant death' critical (i.e. creature was hit for damage less than its current HP, but 'unfortunately, his spine is clearly visible from the front'), even when your character has the Better Criticals perk without the Heavy Handed trait. All other tough creatures like Floaters, Centaurs, Fire Geckos, Bounty Hunters, Robbers in caves, and Mutated Mole Rats are susceptible to instant death criticals. In some cases, though never experienced myself, I have heard of player characters getting killed by an instant death critical. What causes a deathclaw, or any creature for that matter, to be 'immune' to instant death criticals?

Posted: Mon May 26, 2003 3:48 am
by spyder07
I got killed in Bishop's Casino by an instant critical. One of his guards bursted me from like 20 feet away with a sub machine gun. I was wearing metal armor MK 2, had armor class of like 20 or something. I got smacked for like 77 damage in one freaking hit.

'Instant Death'?

Posted: Mon May 26, 2003 3:55 am
by I Must Be Crazy 2
Did your character have more than 77 HP when the guard bursted you for that much damage? If so, do you remember what the accompanying message said (i.e. 'You were critically hit for 77 HP and ...')?

Or did you die because you had fewer than 77 HP before he bursted at you? If thats the case, then I don't consider that as an 'Instant Death' critical, but rather as a regular death (regular in that you died because you lost all your hit points, which is the way that most critters in FO2 normally die).

Posted: Mon May 26, 2003 7:55 am
by Radoteur
Instant deaths don't do many points of damage. I think it was less than ten.

Posted: Tue May 27, 2003 1:40 am
by spyder07
I had something like 56 life. I was at full health too. It was like, "You were critically hit for 77 points, filling you with holes." It was either that or ".....tearing through the armor and rupturing many vital organs."

Posted: Tue May 27, 2003 2:51 pm
by Kashluk
That's critical hit. Nuffin' special. THIS is instant death:

"You were hit for 2 HP. You can see your spine sticking out from your stomach. You're dead."

You can still have 997 HP left, but you're still dead.

Posted: Wed May 28, 2003 6:35 pm
by Blarg
I'm curious about how the game computes the chance for ID. I once smacked the Masticator in the eyes for 2 points and killed him in the first round. The game celebrated my triumph by hanging the boxing match.

Posted: Wed May 28, 2003 8:54 pm
by Kashluk
Things to do

ALWAYS - save before you box, kung fu, wunshu or whatever

NEVER - get an ID in the ring, it's a fucking system failure for sure

Posted: Wed May 28, 2003 11:25 pm
by Carib
nothing beats a crtical to Masticator and keeping his ear, for all item horders that is... I must have found some way to save 95% of items in my trunk...

Posted: Wed May 28, 2003 11:48 pm
by Zbyram
Rama Stryfe wrote:nothing beats a crtical to Masticator and keeping his ear, for all item horders that is... I must have found some way to save 95% of items in my trunk...
*cough* It's your ear. The Masticator bites it off when he scores a critical. You lose 1 CH when that happens... Sucks, but that's the truth. :cry: Ignorance is bliss, isn't it? :wink:

Posted: Wed May 28, 2003 11:56 pm
by Sankis
If he tears your ear off theres a chance you can tear his ear off on a critical hit, if i remember correctly.

Posted: Thu May 29, 2003 12:00 am
by Zbyram
Oops, if that's the case... gotta replay the goddamn game. I didn't know that was possible. :x Like I said, ignorance is bliss. :P

Posted: Thu May 29, 2003 4:05 am
by Strap
if its a white ear, thats yours and say bye-bye 1 charisma. if its a black one, thats the masticators. i dont know if this does anything other than make you happy because your like mike.

i thought that there was some way to kill a deathclaw with critical eye shots. because after all, almost all NPC's who know anything about the deathclaw tell you that its eyes are this and that, etc...
did you try eye shots?

Posted: Thu May 29, 2003 4:08 am
by Red
There's a little blurb about how you tore it off and that you beat "the hardest NPC in the game consdering you have no weapons and armor".

Posted: Thu May 29, 2003 4:14 am
by Strap
so it is just to make you happy

no stat/char bonuses involved?
meh, you cant get a perk for everything you do :wink:

Posted: Thu May 29, 2003 4:08 pm
by Red
Well you already get bonuses for fighting if I recall correctly.

Posted: Thu May 29, 2003 7:06 pm
by Kashluk
Yup. A small Unarmed skill increase when you beat the Masticator.

Posted: Thu May 29, 2003 9:12 pm
by Strap
are you talking about the prize fighter perk? or something else you get from beating him?

Posted: Thu May 29, 2003 9:38 pm
by SeanDMan
Kashluk wrote:Things to do

ALWAYS - save before you box, kung fu, wunshu or whatever

NEVER - get an ID in the ring, it's a fucking system failure for sure
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2003 10:28 pm
by Red
Yeah, that's hapenned to me quite often - usually when I killed someone I KO'd instead of finishing the round.