Poll: How much do you hate Frank Horrigan?

mrhandy 2.0 · Post by **mrhandy 2.0** » Thu Jul 24, 2003 6:45 pm

Vote on how much you hate the leader of the Enclave.

Calal · Post by **Calal** » Thu Jul 24, 2003 7:16 pm

Didn' t mean to burst your bubble but has it ever occured to you that Frank Horrigan is not the 'leader' of the Enclave?

SuperH · Post by **SuperH** » Thu Jul 24, 2003 7:28 pm

I don't have any feeling for him... I mean really, he appeared out of nowhere and that's just plain bad writing.

Vault Dweller : "Ok, good! I just succeded in totally blowing up this place... now I gotta GTF Out of here fast!"
Frank Horrigan : "Too bad I'm here! Maha! You've never really met me before (Except for that time you saw me kill a bunch of people but I let you go just so later on in the game you'd be able to kick my ass hard), but I definately hate you and I'm gonna keep you from winning the game! Rawr!"
Vault Dweller : "But I'm a diplomacy boy, and I can't fight! If you don't mind Mr. Horrigan, I'll just talk my way out of this now."
Frank Horrigan : "NO! Stupid slut! You can't have bad writing without bad gameplay balance! You die now!"

I mean really, shouldn't an arch nemesis final boss kinda be like, yknow, introduced before the final battle? That little random encounter was so half-assed, and I didn't even remember it by the time I got to the end. Bad times.

axltrauts · Post by **axltrauts** » Thu Jul 24, 2003 7:43 pm

his character is pretty interesting, though.

u get to know him from many places (i just remember now the recording u see when you are at Goris' place)

but yeah, interaction with the guy was never an option, that's bad we could've been friends

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Thu Jul 24, 2003 8:04 pm

Well, actually his charecter wasn't really built well.

You only see him a couple of times and all he does is kill stuff. He doesn't really have an interesting ideology (like the master), he's just a big mutant with a gun that kills stuff.

Pretty boring villian if you ask me.

Strap · Post by **Strap** » Thu Jul 24, 2003 8:10 pm

he is nothing compared to teh m4ster.

frank is just a big dumb end boss... the only way to "talk" him to death is to get sgtgranite and the turrets on your side... but that's not really talkin' now is it?

atoga · Post by **atoga** » Thu Jul 24, 2003 8:30 pm

Frank bores me.

axltrauts · Post by **axltrauts** » Thu Jul 24, 2003 9:45 pm

well yeah, but as it reads from the bibles, frank could've been somebody better built. but he is like a thug, no more, no less.

and about the turrets, i dunno how the hell my brother managed to kick the asses of frank, his "elves" and those turrets at almost the same time??

SuperH · Post by **SuperH** » Thu Jul 24, 2003 10:05 pm

I've done that with a combat character before. Everyone's got miniguns, so just make sure you stand next to Frank (or anyone else you want to kill) and they'll get toasted before you will.
And have lots of stimpaks.

Furios666 · Post by **Furios666** » Thu Jul 24, 2003 10:29 pm

The second time I was there, I hit the first shot with the vindicator doing 999 points of damage...that was nice...and fast too! :badgrin:

But it isn't a really difficult character...just some dude you've got to kill.

The only special thing is that he's BIG...the first time I saw him in the encounter I was in total awe...I didn't expect that.

Raymondo · Post by **Raymondo** » Thu Jul 24, 2003 10:44 pm

it would of been better if you saw him more at the start and maybe even had a fight with him near the middle.

Strap · Post by **Strap** » Thu Jul 24, 2003 11:23 pm

i think that that would have been even more stupid than how it is now. theres nothing to ruin a game like that inevitable boss fight from time to time throughout an rpg... IMO at least.

oh, i'm almost at the second F.horrigan fight!!!! sweet, he might drop his endbossknife this time!

Raymondo · Post by **Raymondo** » Thu Jul 24, 2003 11:49 pm

errr No!

Stainless · Post by **Stainless** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 12:17 am

Frank is up there with worse bosses. He just never impacts on the player enough during the game.

You look at the Master. How much did you learn about him before you ran into him? logs, religous icons and various encounters with people built up his persona.

Take Shodan from System Shock 1, The fact that Shodan was continually talking to you and putting you down was a great element. And built Shodan as some haughty self rightous arsehole.

Bloodgeon11 · Post by **Bloodgeon11** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 1:13 am

Frank could have been better, yes, and the fact remains that he was just some overgrown errand-boy for the president, who, incidentally, wasn't even that evil-seeming. How lame is that?! They try to make the end boss evil, but he's just some stupid lackey, while the mastermind just brushes you off! A total of 3 min dialog with the man who plans to destroy hundreds of thousands of people! Pointless. Like the master would be one of the 50 hp supermutants and u would have to fight Harry at the end!

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 7:22 am

Talking with the master in Fallout 1 was one of the best moments of the game.

With Frank it's more in the lines of getting over the "I crush puny human", so you can fight him.

Agent.47 · Post by **Agent.47** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 1:51 pm

I bet you that the Hulk is frank horrigan just under enlarged power armour. because look at him he is like an 8 foot giant so is the Hulk there both green and they were both in science expriments so i think there is a little resemblience here.

Calal · Post by **Calal** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 2:17 pm

Except that the Hulk wears spandex underwear, although I wouldn' t want to know what Frank wears under his power armor.

atoga · Post by **atoga** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 5:04 pm

What I thought was idiotic was that encounter in F2 where Horrigan & his Enclave buddies were interrogating a farmer & his family and the PC came in on the scene. Frank murders them in cold blood, and then turns to the PC and says something like, "This is none of your affair. Turn around and walk away,"... it seemed idiotic and hard to believe that a psychotic like Frank or a bunch of trained Enclave soldiers wouldn't kill the player then and there.

It would probably have been better if the player had hid behind a rock or something and watched the whole thing from afar.

Agent.47 · Post by **Agent.47** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 5:05 pm

That just ain't right.