self-defense? lol

Megatron · Post by **Megatron** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 8:19 pm

do you believe in self-defense?

liek what do weapons do you carry, what NINJA SKILLZ do you have or would you just run away or something.

PEACE! sometimes?

Hammer · Post by **Hammer** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 8:22 pm

I'm a firm believer in over-kill.

Slave_Master · Post by **Slave_Master** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 8:23 pm

Megatron wrote:do you believe in self-defense?

I believe in preemptive first degree battery.

Forty-six & Two · Post by **Forty-six & Two** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 8:40 pm

Well if someone tries to hurt/kill me or someone who dont deserve it, I wouldnt regret it if I killed the person trying to defend myself/"innocents".

I dont carry wepons though, I dont believe in all that "weapons for everyone and people wont get hurt!" Denmark has very strict weapons laws compared to most other countries and personally I think we have it quite peacefull. In the case of someone trying to rob banks/stores/homes people usually dont get killed or even hurt because even though the "bad guys" might have guns on some occasions, the regular person wont. Also there are no armed guards in banks/stores (Night guards might have in some cases though) so theres never any shootings/hostage takings at bank robberies.

Im not saying that Denmark is a peacefull utopia, people get killed by weapons and there is violence. But at least its not cultivated by making guns/knifes and other weapons common ownage.

SuperH · Post by **SuperH** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 8:49 pm

I believe we should all have the right to have AKIMBO MINUGUNS so nobody would f with no shit. omfg.

Really though, I want an airsoft gun that looks real? Because a spring gun is cheaper, can still bust up teeth (not kill though), and um... isn't quite as illegal to own w/o a license?

Megatron · Post by **Megatron** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 8:53 pm

I always carry round a knife, not sure if I'd use it though. I'd probably use it if I had to but otherwise I use it to pry open stuff. I think everyone should be armed.

I don't think weapon laws work, England has pretty strict laws and over the past 3 years gun crime has gone pretty high.

If someone had broken into my house but hadn't touched anything I'd probably ask them if they wanted a drink or something? Otherwise I'd try to hurt him, because I'm so tuff and stuff. I have 6 knives, 4 folders, a butterfly and a bowie. No guns or anything yet

Forty-six & Two · Post by **Forty-six & Two** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 8:58 pm

Megatron wrote:I don't think weapon laws work, England has pretty strict laws and over the past 3 years gun crime has gone pretty high.

Some people will always break the law, isnt it better that there is a law so people can at least see whats right and whats wrong? Oh so, some criminals use guns, well if they were legal, MORE criminals would use guns! Jeez. Doesnt that make sense?

Doyle · Post by **Doyle** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 9:01 pm

Forty-six & Two wrote: Oh so, some criminals use guns, well if they were legal, MORE criminals would use guns! Jeez. Doesnt that make sense?

You should tell the English criminals that. They must be confused, because they've used more guns in crime in recent years despite tighter restrictions.

Slave_Master · Post by **Slave_Master** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 9:02 pm

Forty-six & Two wrote:
Megatron wrote:I don't think weapon laws work, England has pretty strict laws and over the past 3 years gun crime has gone pretty high.
Some people wll always break the law, isnt it better that there is a law so people can at least see whats right and whats wrong? Oh so, some criminals use guns, well if they were legal, MORE criminals would use guns! Jeez. Doesnt that make sense?

A few more criminals having guns > No law-abiding citizen being allowed to protect himself and his family from a criminal who WILL have a gun.

Besides, the same criminals that are getting guns legally right now will turn to illegal sources whenever guns are banned. If the US can't keep drugs and illegal immigrants out, it'd be stupid to think we can keep contraband guns out. Plus, the people who run guns in from Mexico or some foreign country will make a pretty penny, which would probably finance more crime.

Forty-six & Two · Post by **Forty-six & Two** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 9:06 pm

Doyle wrote:
Forty-six & Two wrote: Oh so, some criminals use guns, well if they were legal, MORE criminals would use guns! Jeez. Doesnt that make sense?
You should tell the English criminals that. They must be confused, because they've used more guns in crime in recent years despite tighter restrictions.

Tell them what..? That doesnt make sense....

Im saying that making it easier to get a gun, making them legel, means that even more criminals than the ones that already have them, will have them. Also means that the police will have a harder time preventing criminals from having guns, since if guns were legal, the police would only have a chance to deprive a gun from a criminal, when the criminal has already used it on someone! Thats not a way to prevent gun related crime is it?

Doyle · Post by **Doyle** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 9:07 pm

Slave_Master wrote:Plus, the people who run guns in from Mexico or some foreign country will make a pretty penny, which would probably finance more crime.

It could end up being like prohibition, which represented in many ways a high point for organized crime. There was a lot of illegal cash being made, and a lot of violence. Let's not forget that the St. Valentine's Day Massacre was a direct result of gang warfare cause by the illegal alcohol trade.

Doyle · Post by **Doyle** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 9:09 pm

Forty-six & Two wrote:Tell them what..? That doesnt make sense....

Im saying that making it easier to get a gun, making them legel, means that even more criminals than the ones that already have them, will have them. Also means that the police will have a harder time preventing criminals from having guns, since if guns were legal, the police would only have a chance to deprive a gun from a criminal, is when the criminals has already used it on someone! Thats not a way to prevent gun related crime is it?

How simply do I have to spell it out?

England got tighter gun control laws.

Violent crime increased in England, including gun crime.

Therefore, your argument is not viable in the real world.

Forty-six & Two · Post by **Forty-six & Two** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 9:12 pm

Slave_Master wrote:A few more criminals having guns > No law-abiding citizen being allowed to protect himself and his family from a criminal who WILL have a gun.

Besides, the same criminals that are getting guns legally right now will turn to illegal sources whenever guns are banned. If the US can't keep drugs and illegal immigrants out, it'd be stupid to think we can keep contraband guns out. Plus, the people who run guns in from Mexico or some foreign country will make a pretty penny, which would probably finance more crime.

I see your point, but I wasnt talking about the US. Im talking about countries where gun use has never been normal and legal in newer times. Like England, Denmark and other parts of Europe. Its to late for the US to ban guns, theyre so knee-deep in unsensible gun use that its just simply, to late. Guns have become a part of the US culture, a long time ago. Its never been that way in Denmark for excample.

The Gaijin · Post by **The Gaijin** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 9:12 pm

I carry around a two foot chain with my keys latched onto the end--I have a bad habit of swinging it around, so I think if push came to shove and I didn't panic I could sufficiently use it to knock someone's teeth out or fuck up their eyes. And I'm a firm believer in right to keep and bear...to a point. Something like an uzi or an AK doesn't seem like it should be accessible to your average citizen. A pistol or a hunting rifle, sure.

airsoft guy · Post by **airsoft guy** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 9:14 pm

SuperH wrote:I believe we should all have the right to have AKIMBO MINUGUNS so nobody would f with no shit. omfg.

Really though, I want an airsoft gun that looks real? Because a spring gun is cheaper, can still bust up teeth (not kill though), and um... isn't quite as illegal to own w/o a license?

If you enjoy living don't do that, you never pull a gun on someone unless you have the intent to shoot, merely displaying it dosn't always work, and what happens when they take a chance and come after you? Ouch, a plastic BB, oh well, time to break someone's face. Now if you had a real gun and they decided to come after you you can redecorate your house with the insides of their head.

Now, it's obvious I belive in the right to self defense.

Forty-six & Two · Post by **Forty-six & Two** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 9:18 pm

Doyle wrote:
How simply do I have to spell it out?

England got tighter gun control laws.

Violent crime increased in England, including gun crime.

Therefore, your argument is not viable in the real world.

I seriously doubt that making gun control stricter was a cause to more people having guns and using them for crime. I just think people are stupid and violent and want to shoot each other. So oh yeah, lets give them a better chance at doing it! woot. Legalize all the guns so anyone wanting to rob somebody can go to a store down the road and get a 9mm.

Franz Schubert · Post by **Franz Schubert** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 9:42 pm

If America was really serious about reducing violent crimes, then we should institute a Gestapo-like stance on gun control. It should go something like this:

[Police]: Zat iz gun you have, jah?
[Guy]: Well, yes, but...
[Police]: GET INTO ZE CHAMBER!!

The Gaijin · Post by **The Gaijin** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 10:00 pm

Yes, but then we'd be communist Russia. The idea behind America isn't restricting the guilty, it's giving freedom to the innocent.

Franz Schubert · Post by **Franz Schubert** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 10:04 pm

It can be viewed both ways, just like smoking. In California, it is illegal to smoke in restaurants, and when they first started that law, the smokers were saying it restricted their rights. But the idea is that people have the right to breathe clean air when they eat, and that's why the law was passed.

So basically I'm saying people should have the right to be free of worry of being shot in the head by a gun.

InvisibleMonkey · Post by **InvisibleMonkey** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 10:05 pm

What about the guy who sued a family cause he was robbing there house and he was trying to to get in through the chimney and he broke his neck? He won the case and got a large sum of money

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