Fun with Belgiums

[Saint_Proverbius]

Since Briosafreak basically assnuked the NMA news comment forum today with flames for me, forcing Odin to lock two popular threads, and lay some smack in a few others - thus killing all the activity in that forum, I'm going to have to reply to him here. After all, he wants to unlock some threads so he can get the last words in on the subjects, even though Odin and Welsh didn't much care for that kind of thing. So, here goes:

From: http://www.nma-fallout.com/forum/viewto ... 0966#70966

No, another chapter of Brios showing you`re a double faced liar and bursting with bullshit.

Actually, remember this, we'll cover it in detail later.

However, since we're tit for tatting here, Brios, you're a panzy assed corn cobber with a peanut shell for a cod piece.

Why are you replying as if i said we were the only ones that knew stuff on Fallout3? I should put Killzig on that list, true, but what i was saying is that any of us, together with Killzig, know a lot more than you, and most bits you know came from talks kumquat had. Small bits. Still people say you`re the sage here. Ridiculous.

I think I've already addressed this when I pointed out that from the beginning, when Fallout 3 was made generally public, I was told by certain BIS developers that the project would never see the light of day. Therefore, since I was devoting much of my time to RPGCodex at the time, it didn't make a hell of a lot of sense for me to dig for information about games that would never see the light of day. So, no, I didn't ask a lot of questions about it, and I mostly ignored the people working on it. I could have re-registered at the IPLY forum at any given time like Killian did, but I didn't. Why? One more time, the game was never going to see the light of day.

So, basically, I knew the one important thing about the game that you guys didn't seem to know, that it was a waste of time devoting a hell of a lot of effort on it.

However, that's not to say I don't know anything about the project. JE Sawyer spilled enough info about it to make it sound incredibly ass. Even if IPLY hadn't forced things down their throats like the whole multiplayer co-op mode crap and the dual combat mode stuff, the whole idea that the SPECIAL system was getting totally revamped, tossing out what works along with what doesn't rather than tweaking it.. Well, factor that in with the fact the game would never see the light of day really didn't muster much enthusiasm for me.

However, I'm sure that since you dug up so much information from the developers about the doomed project, you can now safely unzip your fly with a little more pride than before.

Well it seems so, since you keep distorting and inventing stuff. In the end we got the big slices of the cake and you got the crumbs, i wonder why...

I covered that in the above. And no, I distorted nothing. Care to tell me what I did distort? You've made gobs of accusations about this, yet you've not coughed up the goods on the subject. Why is that?

(On the subject of Silver Style hiring the guys with very little experience from BIS instead of those people going on to Obsidian or another established developer) Yeah, because I'm so sure they'd rather work on HIGH PROFILE GAMES like Silver Style makes than work with the people they used to work with.

Ahahaah ask them why. Why are you afraid to ask them? Maybe because you´re wrong, and don`t want to admit it? Really trying to stand firm on this pile of horse shit story is funny as hell.

Just ask them.

I did ask, it's over on page 2 of that thread. Read much?

I was explaining Rosh what happened, you tend to just give him the info that suits you Saint. the fact that it was going to be implemented and would allow a Fallout3 game in turn based mode is a positive thing right? Oh i forgot, it would only be good if you say so. You`re dilusions of grandeur are a bit pathetic you know?

I love how you resolve this. Turn based was going to be implimented later, but it wasn't implimented at the time the game was canned - yet we've been told by the developers since the beginning that turn based would be a priority. That was my point.

First was it a drama when it happened, did you start insulting the people at Troika, did you write them off? Oh noz, so why should we do the same with the people that were doing the Fallout3 combat and listening to us during the process?

I told Tim that the STEAM character system "sucked ass". That insulting enough for you?

I didn't start insulting JE Sawyer until AFTER he ignored the numbers about the gauss weapons versus the energy weapons. He just decided to go on saying that all the gun skills needed to be combined because small arms were so useless in Fallout and Fallout 2 and energy weapons were so uber.

In fact, Brios, you should remember that argument very well, because you were cutting and pasting my arguments on to the IPLY forum - and that, you rubber necked sack sucker, is how you got your foot in the door with the developers in the first place.

And Puuk liked very much meeting Tim Cain and the fact Cain went to see how the work was doing, so you missed your target YET AGAIN:

Tim Cain is a nice guy. He's not going to say something like, Jesus, Damien.. What the fuck are you doing with Fallout? Dear God, man! That's horrible!

And he already said he was wrong in doing that. Your reading is getting worse with age, so it seems. The fact that i wasn`t even here when it happened is rather amusing too. How could i do anything related with that if i was away? Tsk tsk, you have a strange sense of the facts indeed.

Much like you aren't here now? Didn't you do that whole, I'M LEAVING FOREVER melodrama bullshit?

HEY SAID IT WAS GOING TO BE difficult FROM DAY ONE. THEY POSTED THAT LINE THOUSANDS OF TIMES. That`s what i said to people like Montez and Mr. Teatime, that they knew the risk of what they were doing, but were forced to do it, so we had to keep vigilant and try to help them out the most we could, in any way possible so things could work out in the end. If it didn`t too bad, but we had to try it. The way RT with pause was sidelined and TB had priority was a positive sign but everything could happen. AND THAT`S WHAT I ALWAYS SAID . You were either distracted or you are lying again.

And people like Rosh and me have pointed out why it's impossible to err on the side of just turn based because of map design, AI, and so forth. Balancing is just a bitch, but how you lay out a combat location so it works well with both turn based and real time combat is nigh impossible. The difficulty of the critters has to be taken in to consideration as does how the critters actually attack.

To say, Well, it's going to be difficult, but we'll just make the turn based better and it'll be the priority and stuff is nothing but the developers' way of waving their hand and hoping you'll be quiet about it.

Strange sentence, since there are so many members from the Iplay forums registered here as they are on the Codex. And it shows the intoxication campaign you started and how vile it is, since everyone knows that they moved to this place, this place, this place and this place. Of course that i won`t mind if a few are members here, this is a site for Fallout fans, they are welcomed as long as they don`t come here to praise FOBOS. Of course that more members on these boards is always a bad thing to Saint Proverbius, since he hates NMA (remember kids "Fuck NMA"). And that way he can`t masturbate watching people drooling on his every word.

I haven't seen too many people on RPG Codex say things like, Hey, the developers know what they're doing. The game will be great. Let's just run with that, bury our heads in the sand, and thank Buddha we can bask in their glory.

You are pathetic, but that`s fine, as long as you stop causing shit against NMA, spreading lies ans insulting the people that work at NMA.

I think you're worth insulting, Brios.

From: http://www.nma-fallout.com/forum/viewto ... 0943#70943

Yet if he left NMA and went to work for you he wasn`t going to be wishy-washy? Thanks again for proving my point on the way you hate NMA.

Actually, I'm not fond of the direction NMA is taking. That's not a secret. I've said it publically numerous times.

When we work with devs acting as bridges to the community, on Fallout3, the Fall, Metalheart and so on we are fanboys. When you organise dev chats at #RPGCodex, talk to Fergus and Fargo you`re just doing your job. Brilliant. You know IT ISN`T SOMEONE FROM NMA THAT HAS THE NAME ON LIONHEARTS CREDITS, IT´S YOU.

The big difference is, I don't buy everything they say, When they do something I don't like or something I think is wrong, I don't shy away from it like you seem to do.

As for the lionheart thing, I was put in the credits under the SPECIAL THANKS section because someone thought I'd go easier on the game if I was in the manual. They thought a little bit of my name there would buy me off. Did it work? Feel free to search for the Lionheart news posts I've made on RPG Codex since the game came out:

http://www.rpgcodex.com/newsarchive.php

How convenient, forgetting the rest of i wrote: and doing even worse when he thought i wasn`t around on #fallout or #rpgcodex. In all impunity.
Hope they like the way you shoved their talks to me, by the way.

I think the question you should be asking yourself is did Saint_Proverbius care if I was there or not? It's a much more important question.

Thanks for not denying you want NMA to be a non-dev zone. And your sudden love for Steve, when you used to call him bitch all the time doesn`t have nothing to do on the fact he started posting on the Codex right? You weren`t as friendly when he just posted at DAC...

You can look up that smoking thread here on DAC right now and then check Steve's registration date on RPGCodex. I still called him bitch in that thread and it's only a couple of weeks old. He's been registered at RPGCodex for months.

This is when perhaps you should be checking your facts instead of questioning mine.

Why are you so insecure of your sexuality?

Spare me the junior high psychology, fruitcake.

The site is nice, although the cult following of your persona is a bit ridiculous, i was raised to think on my own, but hell that`s your place, all i want is you to FUCKING STOP to try to take this place down.

There's a huge bit of irony in there.

And i also have a dev quote for you:

and i've just written off Saint_Proverbius as a joke.
Why does anyone take that guy seriously i'm not sure. I just realized that he's irrelevant. why bother arguing with people so obviously masturabatory and self-enthralled?

Yeah, he got a little pissy after I started attacking him with questions like, So, if you say that Speech needs to be divided up in to four skills because you shouldn't be able to win the game with one skill, then why are you combining all the gun skills in to one skill?

And another:

I just get the impression St. P is just unhappy with life in general and takes it out on anything and everything around him. Hostility through anonimity.

The great part about this is that my ICQ lists my real time. I registered RPGCodex under my real time. You can even google my nick and get my real name. I've never been anonymous.

If you want to be like that fine, just don`t bring that to NMA.

The great part is, Brios, and this is why you're an idiot.. You've done more damage to NMA today than I could ever do by complaining about how IPLY FANBOYLAND it's become. Hell, you single handedly forced Odin to lock the two most popular threads in the news forum. Bravo! Nice job! You are TEH WINNAR.

[Jimmyjay86]

Does this have to do with the reason that Brios left to begin with?

[Role-Player]

Being a sort of newcomer to the whole community and its shenanigans, i'm quite curious about all this.

::eats popcorns, sits in sofa, staring at screen::

[Franz Schubert]

Uhh, sorry to nitpick Saint.... but don't you mean "Belgians"?

[Hertston]

Being a sort of newcomer to the whole community and its shenanigans, i'm quite curious about all this.

::eats popcorns, sits in sofa, staring at screen::

Likewise. Who needs politics and religion to talk about, with all this going on ?

[POOPERSCOOPER]

I just read all those new posts in the threads and basically it just looks like Kumquef and Briosfreak are daft. I doubt Brios will come over here and reply to yours because he thinks we arent MATUURE enough. I dont get how they bitch about Kumquef getting the moron avatar when he actually acts like one, and I get one for making fun of morons.

[MurPHy]

I dont get how they bitch about Kumquef getting the moron avatar when he actually acts like one, and I get one for making fun of morons.

People are funny that way, Poop.

[S4ur0n27]

Belgium = Good fries tho.

[Franz Schubert]

Yes, I've been to Belgium a couple times, and they eat their fries with Mayo. Best damn thing in the world.

[atoga]

Where does Belgium come into play? Brios is Portuguese, is he not?

Anyway, it saddens me to see this happening. It's like a couple parents in a messy divorce.

[Role-Player]

I was also under the impression he was portuguese.

[Imnotbelgium]

Oh yeah i`m portuguese alright.

What i said was on is on the locked threads at the NMA news forum. You`ll see over there what are my reasons for disliking Saints double faced dealings with NMA. Also my profound differences regarding what should happen with its future.

And no matter what i did i wasn`t sending him logs with Spazmo, atoga and Exitium talking against me. He was the one that send me those logs, it`s a good way for people that work with him to know the trust you can deposit on him.

Without Kreegle here and with Insane Lark off the admin duties, to gether with Killzig and OTB beeing increasingly absent, and the recurring anti-nma speech i lost most of the bounds that lead me here, that`s true. Still i wish the best for the site, and i`m not regreting the way i defended DAC against Gromnir attempt of cutting it from the Fallout3 team agenda, with the help of JJ86, DarkUnderlord and Kreegle. I`m happy of trying to patch things up between Sawyer and DAC with the help of Spazmo, although it wasn`t needed, since Killzig had the things well covered. The reason i posted ideas from Saint on the Iplay boards was just like i did with numerous others that posted comments on NMA; the devs wouldn`t go to NMA and DAC because they thought there was no possibility of rational discussion with Saint and Rosh, but i thougfht his voices and the voices of the community in general should be heard.

When we got the minimun level of trust between Fallout3 devs and us the atmosphere was generally good and we were happy with the generic names on guns, guns with the 50`s pulp touch, different endings and non- linearity on teh Fallout1 sense, not putting other playable races, even if that option won the nma poll, the labs and camps to produce gear for the science type main characters, the way the 3d engine was turning out really falloutish, the cut on modern technology and no enclave, except for two special encounters, wich would also gave it a more fallout1 feel, the turn based system, wich like Killzig can confirm was taking into account the mistakes of Fallout Tactics, the way they converted the original 2d art from the fallout games to 3d and so on. We were also vigilant of what could go wrong, and a more tough crowd commenting the news was good to balance the excesses in enthusiasm of the BIS forum.

So since Killzig didn`t want to raise the expectations from the people at DAC because he knew like many of us that it was going to be very dificult for the game to be completed i got the job of keeping the community informed while keeping the game visible, to make harder for Iplay to shut the project down. We`ve kept in touch though, and planed dev chats together if the game was announced or even before that.

He did well, and i think i did the best thing continuing to find a space where Saint ideas, as anyone else´s ideas could be listened too. He decided to be quiet instead, attacking NMA while inviting me and Odin to work on the Codex. If NMA was that bad why was he inviting us to work for him? I left a few leads on those locked threads at NMA.

In the meantime i would listen to the growing cries for help from Kreegle , the problems Larky was having keeping this place flowing and saw how Saint didn`t give a fuck. It was clear then that he hated NMA and didn`t give a fuck about DAC, wich was again proven when Kreegle shut this place and all he was woried was that his precious articles were sent to NMA. Before he acted like he wanted to save DAC he even got the Project Phoenix forum to be hosted at RPGCodex. When he starts having doubts on where his stuff will end up he starts the victim act, all worried about DAC.

Where was he during the troubles with Dan, with GG, the changes of forums, the uploading of tons of stuff Kreegle did, when DAC was attacked on the Iplay forums, the flame wars between members, when Killzig was asking for directions for the future of DAC and so on? He juststarted to act as DAC "saviour" when he saw that his precoius "stuff" was beeing moved, and that he couldn`t do his mindgames at NMA like he does here. Rosh gave him more space for him to continue the lies, the hipocrisy, the double standards and the attempts to put friends against eachother, and to corner NMA to a no dev zone, stoping it of following it`s own path. So i stepped in, it was time to stop his impunity.

I won`t tell you guys how to run DAC, and i just ask Saint to do the same regarding NMA. Someone that says "fuck nma" looses that right. When the last crisis at DAC happened i mailed Kreegle giving him my suport, but asking him to make things up with Killzig. That`s all i should have done. All that Saint should do is to stop insulting Odin, spreading lies about NMA and going there.

The rest of the things he says on this post are funny as hell, when he isn`t lying of course. I`ll get on to them later then.

[Role-Player]

Oh yeah i`m portuguese alright.

Ok, era só para ter a certeza

[Imnotbelgium]

Já viste o Gothic2 a 18.99 na worten? E o JA2 de graça na Player de janeiro? Ainda há esperança para este país afinal

[Mad Max RW]

Wow. Who gives a shit.

[Jeff]

Wow. Who gives a shit.

Haha, my thoughts exactly. I thought we covered this whole soap opera thing already?

[Role-Player]

Já viste o Gothic2 a 18.99 na worten? E o JA2 de graça na Player de janeiro? Ainda há esperança para este país afinal

Sim já vi o G2 A ver se o compro o mais rápido possível.

Fiquei foi agarrado pq tive o JA2 emprestado durante muito tempo, e devolvi-o à pouco tempo. Quando encomendei o Silent Storm pela Amazon, decidi tmb encomendar o JA2 (que já chegou primeiro que o Silent Storm; é o JA2 e o Unfinished Business num só) para compensar o facto de que fiquei sem a cópia. Eu nem sequer reparei nesse "freebie" da Player senão poupava dinheiro

[Imnotbelgium]

Já cá cantam os dois

Se recebeste a gold edition do JA2 até que foi um bom negócio. O S2 já saiu por cá, custa 39 euros, fica para o próximo mês.

[Aneurysm]

Fico sempre com lagrimas nos olhos quando vejo a minha lingua materna num sitio como este . Briosa embora não saiba o que se passou entre ti e o saint (nem quero) , sei que deves ter as tuas razões , desejo-te o melhor para a tua vida. Roleplayer nao sabia que também eras português , afinal não somos assim tão poucos...

[Role-Player]

@Briosa: Ya, o S^2 está caro por aqui. Na Amazon ficou-me por qq coisa como 10 Euros

@Aneurysm: Há sempre portugueses em todo o lado.