The Most Nihilistic Album of 94-95

Janus Matchell · Post by **Janus Matchell** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 4:35 am

Ok recently I was thinking and I wondered if The Downward Spiral by NIN kicks the dog shit out of Antichrist Superstar by Marilyn Manson. Or maybe is it the other way around. Either album is good but I feel that personally that TDS kicks infinitely more ass than ACSS because of the lyrical content (self destruction) and awesome music (Heresy and The Becoming). Now that I have stated my opinion then you state yours.
ACSS is good lyrically and musically but not at the particular level that TDS was
Discuss.

And before I forget if any of you can fully explain that ACSS is better than TDS that would be great.

EDIT:It doesn't matter which one sucks it matters that which one is the lesser of crappy.

Spazmo · Post by **Spazmo** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 4:39 am

... Nine Inch Nails?

Marylin Manson?

They both suck.

atoga · Post by **atoga** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 4:45 am

How about The Division Bell, which was actually okay?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 5:07 am

Downward Spiral, for sure. At least Antichrist Superstar has a sense of humor.

Janus Matchell · Post by **Janus Matchell** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 5:39 am

I see your point about ACSS having a sense of humor but TDS is more atmospheric ans the lyrics match the songs perfectly which is an added bonus for points when comparing TDS and ACSS.

Lunchmeat · Post by **Lunchmeat** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 7:41 am

atoga wrote:How about The Division Bell, which was actually okay?

The Division Bell was okay, but it's the worst Floyd album I've heard.

S4ur0n27 · Post by **S4ur0n27** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 1:30 pm

Antichrist Superstar sounds way better in my ear than any NIN.

Although NIN made a few good songs.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 3:26 pm

Janus wrote:TDS is more atmospheric ans the lyrics match the songs perfectly which is an added bonus for points when comparing TDS and ACSS.

I agree - I thought we were discussing which album was the most nihilistic/depressing, not the best. I think TDS is the better album overall, but I'm not a huge fan of it.

As far as Marylin Manson goes, I prefer Mechanical Animals.

Mr. Teatime · Post by **Mr. Teatime** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 4:01 pm

NIN can be OK I guess, but Manson? What, are you all 14 year olds who think you're goth and anti-establishment?

EDIT: also moved to the appropriate forum.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 4:52 pm

Teatime wrote:What, are you all 14 year olds who think you're goth and anti-establishment?

Okay, way to be condescending. Just because someone likes Marylin Manson doesn't make him/her a poser. Shut up.

Aneurysm · Post by **Aneurysm** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 4:53 pm

Not in this case ma hombre.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 5:02 pm

Actually, yes in this case. I like Marylin Manson for his music, not his supposed "rebelliousness" or his goth leanings. Sometimes it really is just about the music, yo. Do you think only goths listen to the Cure?

That said, Manson's cover of "Personal Jesus" blows monkey chunks. But that's off-topic.

S4ur0n27 · Post by **S4ur0n27** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 5:53 pm

Manson's music rocks. He looks like a OH SHIT I HEAR THE ICE CREAM TRUCK!!!!!111!1111oneone, and most of his fans are angsty gay goth teens, but his music is good. His first album is the best IMHO. American Family reminds me of Iggy Pop's Raw Power.

Mr. Teatime · Post by **Mr. Teatime** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 6:27 pm

I maintain Manson sucks, but I admit it is because of the image he chooses to portray, and the fans he has. I have no desire to listen to enough of his music to form an opinion on that in isolation.

atoga · Post by **atoga** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 10:54 pm

Lunchmeat wrote:
atoga wrote:How about The Division Bell, which was actually okay?
The Division Bell was okay, but it's the worst Floyd album I've heard.

Division Bell is better than the recorded stuff on Ummagumma, I think, but that's about it. Cluster One is pretty cool, though.

Mandalorian FaLLouT GoD · Sat Oct 09, 2004 12:49 am

How the fuck can any type of music be classified as nihilistic?
Its all systematic and made in sound studios.
Its all part of an overall system run by the rich and famous, so doesn't that totally invalidate the point of this thread.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 3:06 am

....Yes. Absolutely. Because Lord knows, you can't make depressing music in a studio.

I honestly wonder why you're still here.

atoga · Post by **atoga** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 3:10 am

Yeah, but it's far from "nihilistic". If you want nihilism, go to Sweden, become an acid addict, and join a jazz band; otherwise, shut up.

Nihilism is idiocy, regardless, but the point is that this stuff is illegitimate nihilism.

Janus Matchell · Post by **Janus Matchell** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 8:35 am

Mandalorian FaLLouT GoD wrote:How the fuck can any type of music be classified as nihilistic?
Its all systematic and made in sound studios.
Its all part of an overall system run by the rich and famous, so doesn't that totally invalidate the point of this thread.

It is the album not the music pay particular attention to the lyrics and you will see what I am talking about there MFG. This thread isn't completely invalidated either as it is asking a question to those who know what I am talking about. The topic happens to be which album is more nihilistic not which music is more categorized. Get it now?

S4ur0n27 · Post by **S4ur0n27** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:34 pm

Neither is nihilistic, but Manson > NIN.

Duck and Cover

The Most Nihilistic Album of 94-95

Which album is the most Nihilistic ever!?

The Most Nihilistic Album of 94-95

yup

tardackle!!!